Comments on: Topic 3, Chawh-chaw-rawi

By: keimahte

keimahte — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:17:20 +0000

Pres chu nimah ila Calvina zirtirna hi chu ka pawm velo a, chuvangin ruat lawk ka nih leh ni loh hi buaipui ngai pawn ka hre lem lo. Calvina emaw pres zirtirna ai chuan Bible min zirtir ang hian Isua hi ring ila a thupek te zawm turin nitin mahni theitawpin thlarau, rilru leh taksa in a hnenah in hlan ila… a tawk viauin ka hria.

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By: mzvision

mzvision — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:30:16 +0000

Ka va lawm em Pres ho hi John Calvin-a zirtir innghat kan nih chuan 2) Unconditional election – Pathian in chhandam tur ruat lawk bik a nei a, chung mite chu a thlang lawk a, an thiltih vang nilo in a chhandam. Rinna vang pawh ani lem lo an ti!! Ruatlawk nih leh nih loh hriat a va thra ve ni mang silo hian peih leh peih lo hian kan lo ti ve trang2 anga atawpah Chhandam kan ni si lovanga.

Hei vang hi em ni Ruatlawk thu hi Pres ho hian an sawi thrat duh tak miah loh le :?:

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By: keimahte

keimahte — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:21:15 +0000

lol mzvision.. ka sawi thiam dawn em ni aw.. tawi thei ang berin ka han sawi dawn ange.

Soteriology(chhandamna) chung changa 5 points of calvinism [TULIP] chuan tihian a zirtira :

1) Total depravity – mihring hi chhelet der ani a, mahni inchhandam turin tih theih engmah a nei lo.. tah hi chuan Arminian ho nen an in lungrual viau.

2) Unconditional election – Pathian in chhandam tur ruat lawk bik a nei a, chung mite chu a thlang lawk a, an thiltih vang nilo in a chhandam. Rinna vang pawh ani lem lo an ti!!

3) Limited atonement – Krista kha mi zawng zawng tan a thi lo a, chhandam tur a ruat lawk te tan chauh a thi anti.

4) Irresistible grace – Pathian khawngaihna hi a hnar theih lova, chhandam tura ruat lawk te chuan eng ang paw’n lo dodal sela chhandamna ah a hruai lut tho tho.

5) Perseverance of the saints – Chhandam tawh an tlu theilo.. chhandamna a bo theilo tih nen a in ang deuh a, a danglamna chu.. chhandamna chang tawh ni awma lang tlu leh te chu, chhandamna an la chan tak tak loh vang an ti.

Arminianism hi chu a opposite ani deuh ber mai.. point #1 tih lo ah khi chuan. An danglamna lian ber chu Arminianism chuan mihring hian chhandamna chang turin a duhthlana a hmang tur ani a, a free will hmangin Krista a thlang tur ani an ti a.. Calvinism chuan chhandamna chang turin mihring in duh a thlang theilo.. Pathian thu thu ani.. chhandam tur a ruat lawka, hremhmun kal tur pawh a ruat lawk ati. Hei hi miten calvinism an dodalna chhan ber pawh ani.

TMEF zirtirna diklo an tih lai ka han hriat theih mai chu Presbyterian thurin #5 ah khan mihring chuan ama duhthu ngeiin Pathian dan a bawhchhia tih ani a.. TMEF chuan heti zawng lo deuh hian an kalpui a, II Tim 2:14 thu ‘Tin, Adama chu bumin a awm lo va, hmeichhia erawh chu bumin a awm a, bawhchhiatnaah a tlu ta a’ tih lai hi lavungin mihring chu buma a awm avangin sualah a tlu an ti ani.

Pres hoin ama duhthu ngeia tlu an tih laiin TMEF chuan bum anih vang an ti ve thung ani. Kohhran te hi hmeichhia anga tehkhin kan nih ve fo avang hian Krista mo kan nihna lam an lavunga hmeichhia buma a awm kha mihring bumin a awm tizawngin an kalpui ani deuh ber awm e.

ka sawi fiah em ka hrelo.. a chianglo lai chu han sawi leh la sawi that leh kan tum dawn nia.

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By: mzvision

mzvision — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:20:03 +0000

@keimahte
Calvina zirtirna leh Armianism zirtirna leh TMEF thu kalpui dan te min han hrilh keuh teh. te pawh chu min han hrilh belh teh

Helamah hian ka kawlo nasa mahse hriat ve deuh ka va chak em

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By: Diktea_Pa

Diktea_Pa — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:05:37 +0000

#27 Paradise chungchang ka’n sawi fiah dawn nge i sawifiah dawn?

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By: keimahte

keimahte — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:49:24 +0000

“But everyone, indeed, knows that at times they (the fathers/theologians) have erred as men will; therefore I am ready to trust them only when they prove their opinions from Scripture/Bible, which has never erred.” – Martin Luther

Kan pastor tam tak te hian inerrancy of Scripture hi an pawm tawh lo tih hi kan hria em !! Bible ai chuan Serampore college emaw a an zirdan an pawm zawk a, Bible hi Pathian thawkkhum anih pawm inti siin a original authors te khan tihsual an nei a, chu chu Pathian pawhin a pal zam mai mai an ti ani ber tawh. An theology han chiri dan em em te hi!! Calvina zirtirna pawmtu an inti a, an revival speaker ten Arminianism zirtirna an tlangau pui dup dup a, an hawi vel mai mai a !! TMEF zirtirna a him lo an ti leh ang lawi bawk a. TMEF zirtirna hi Calvinism zulzui a nih te hi an hre lo emaw ni ? (anmahni chuan nilo ang chuan an sawi) A himlo an tih lai ber lah hi an thurin #5 na nen a inkalh tih vel mai mai.. Bible nen a inkalh tih ni hlei lo. Huihaaaaaaaaaa……….

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By: chawnghilh

chawnghilh — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:22:58 +0000

@kawlhawk : A bung leh chang ka rawn tarlang thlap a, an la chhiar ve ngai lo a nih chuan —chhiar ve se a ni mai!

Mitthi chanchin leh an chungchang, Bible-a a inziak dan ka rawn tarlang kimchang dawn em ni?

In lama vuituin vanah a vui kai a, thlanmuala vuituin ni kin nia thawhlehna chungchangin a thlamuan thung a, thu inkalh, a sawitute thawkho an ni ber hian ka hre thin!

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By: kawlhawk

kawlhawk — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:16:29 +0000

Pu chawnghilh, Paula’n Timothea hnenah He Lei hi siamthar anih a, dinthar leh anih hunah chauh mitin rorelsak an nih tur thu a sawi anih chuan…

Kan Pastor mithi vuitu te hian kan thih ni hi kan thlarau rorelsakna ni ang leh Pathian nena kan intawn/ inhmachhwnna ni angin min vui vek. “Vawiinah Pa hnenah a chawl ta… Krista bulah hlimtakin a leng ta… Pa ängchhungah a chawl ta…ect.., hei hi engtia sawimam or dawnsawn chi nge niang?

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By: chawnghilh

chawnghilh — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:07:19 +0000

“Preach the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words.” —St. Francis of Assisi

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By: keimahte

keimahte — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:04:03 +0000

@kawlhawk

Pathian ngaihsak tak leh a duhzawnga nun tum tlat mi i nih ka ringhlel hauh lo… amaherawhchu ka han uar duh lai tak chu Pathian thu hi a then azar chauh nilovin a zavaia awih tur kan ni tlat a, chu chuan a thu min zirtir anga kan sawi a phut tlat a ni.. kan rin dan nilovin. “Mi tupawhin thu a sawi chuan Pathian thute angin sawi rawh se” – I Pet 4:11 tih anih kha.

“A lo kal lehna thutiam chu khawiah nge? Siam tirh atangin engkim a awm pangngai angin chi thlahtute muthlilh ni ata tawh kha a la awm zel alawm,” an la ti ang – II Pet 3:4

@mzvision

a ni asin.. thu hi awih duam mai ila — tawngtam lem lo hian thawk tam ila, nupui fanaute pawh hian kan thu sawi hi an lo ngaipawimawh zawkin kan thu te hi an awih duh zawk emawni te ka ti thin !!

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