An openly lesbian minister’s bid to join the clergy may be the first national test of a controversial policy adopted by the Presbyterian Church (USA).
After being denied ordination twice over the past couple of decades because of a ban on ordaining openly gay persons, Lisa Larges made some headway this past week when she gained support from a regional body of the PC(USA).
The San Francisco Presbytery voted Tuesday 167-151 to support Larges’ application for ministry
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January 25th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Va zialo ve aw…
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January 25th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Shame on presbyterians han tih em2 chuh!!!!!!!!!!!
Ka la na deuh
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January 25th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
this is america kha a nimiau atin a ni e..hehe…mahse MPC(USA) chuan an pawmve miah lo…lol…mahse pc(usa) ah chuan atih theih leh lawi sia…lol…hahah..abuainuaih…lol
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January 25th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
E khai, a va zia lo ve le! Ni e, US lam hi zawng keini ai chuan an zau deuh zawng a ni e.
Amaherawhchu USA-a Presbyterian kohhrana an presbytery pakhatin hetiang thil an lo vote avanga Pesbyterian ho zawng zawng generalize vek hi chu a dik lo vang. Kei pawh presbyterian ka ni, he thil hi ka pawmpui tihna a ni lo. Tin presbyterian lo pawh kohhran tamtak gay ho pawmtu an awm nual tawh a ni tihte hria i la a tha ang e.
Gay ho chungchang hi tunlai khawvela issue lian tak pakhat a ni mek a. Tamtak chu an duh avanga hetiang lo ni ta pawh hi an ni chuang lo. Biological leh psychological problem tamtak a kaihhawih ang. Nun dan phung pangngaia nung tur chuan beih fe a ngai ang a, anmahni zinga tamtak phei chuan nun dan phung pangngaia ngaiin tih danglam kher an duh hek lo vang. Amaherawhchu hetiang a nih avang hian minister-a ordain kher tur tihna a ni chuang hek lo. Hetiang prblem hian kan ram pawh hi min la chim ve thuai ang. Tun atanga kan lo ngaihtuah lawk nasat a ngai a ni.
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January 25th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
In the United States, Presbyterians are probably the richest among Christian demoninations. The are practically the upper class of Christians. So they must be among the most liberals. On the other side, in western societies, it seems the smartest men and women happen to be gays and lesbians. So it is rather difficult to bar them as long as they want to involve in church activities. Like our so called Christians here in Aizawl they believe in numbers and dollars.
It may look strange here, but over them, this is not really strange or detestable.
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January 25th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
USA ah Presbyterian Christian denomination ah a hausa ber tih hi khawi atanga i hriat nge aw. PC USA member ka ni ve a, ka ngaihven ve fu bawk ( ka theih tawk tawk in) Christian denomination ah chuan protestant an changtlung zawk tih bak chu kei chuan ka hre hauh lo mai. Min hrilh harh thei em le? Khawvel ah chuan Roman Catholic chu a hausa ber tih erawh chu ka hre chiang thung.
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January 25th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Presbyterian Church (USA) mi ho hi 92.9 percent white (skin, Mizo thenkhatten Sap an tih mai thin) anni a. African-American (“negro” anni lo ania aw) chu 3.1 percent chauh (source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....urch_(USA)
Anni anga white (vun ngo) tamna kohhran hi an tam hmel loh.
Vun ngo hi hausa tihna a ni lo na a, ka lo hriat dan chuan Presbyterian ho zingah mirethei (ti mai ila) an tlem duh khawp mai.
An zingah hian homosexuality pawh an lo buaipui hrep tawh. An lansarhna pakhat leh chu Israel rama American company invest ho boycott kha a ni. Hetiang khawpa politically conscious chu mi lehkhathiam tamna tih a chiang.
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January 25th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
San Francisco presbytery in Genera lAssembly agenda atan an rawn chhawp chhuak dawn chauh a ni a, GA hian a hnawl tho thrin, hetiang agenda hi chu a lut zauh zauh tawh a, ala tlang lo zel chu a nih hi. Mahse engtikah emaw chuan an la pass mai thei; a pressure hi a awm reng si a. Presbyterian chuan an ordained hrih lo chu a nih hi.
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January 25th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
uiiiiii thu! van comment sei thiam hlom iam2…. ka van chak ve!
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January 25th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Mawngkawhur (teh deuh tawp a) chu sawi loh, hmeichhia hrim hrim ordain pawh hi kan la debate mumal lo a nia keini ramah chuan.
Kan boruak hnim a in ang lo hle mai a. Keini zawng arte chuk phak leka khai uih ve mai kan nia.
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January 25th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
a sap ho te chu ti vel mai mai teh se…awm ngaihna hre tawh lo ho an nia..kei ni Mizo te hian an hnenah entawn tur kan nei tawh lo..chuvangin sap ngaihsan vak hian awmzia a nei tawh lovang…an mawl si…………….
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January 25th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Ka zawhna i chhang lo hle mai a…Kan pastor ka be zo chiah a… a ni chuan USA ah chuan Catholic an lian ber a ti. Tin, presbyterian chu member tam lam ah chuan pali na emaw panga na emaw kan ni in ka hria a ti…a lian pawl chu kan tling ve e a ti.
Khita ka ziah protestant an changtlung zawk ka tih pawh khi mi pangai ve mai ka zawhna ka han ziak ngawt pek a nih khi. A dikloh hmel hle mai, ka tih palh a ni e. Ordained Pastor min chhan na kha ka pawm thlap mai kei chuan.
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January 25th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
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January 25th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
RTPA : ta ngawt chuan a lol….thil dik/thudik hi hriat a that vanga kan pastor phone phah ka nia lawm…Thudik chiah lo deuh hi hriat a hlauhawm ka ti ve mai mai ania… Ka ril a van tam reuh ve mawle….thiani vawksa chhum tui lutuk kha ka va ei zuai ang e.
RTPA: Rambo thar vawin a an release kha i en dawn em…naktuk chu dam chuan en ve teh ang te ka ti mai mai:D
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January 25th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
a tunge dik ber hriat a va har ta em?
a dik tak tak anih chuan gay tih leh homosexual tih vel hi chu, an sawi viau ani emaw, khawi hmun a cheng a, eng ang ethics/moral awm na hmun a khawsa pawh ni se la….
a ten in ka ten ..ve tawp… a dik emaw dik lo emaw ,hnial tlak ah ka ruat lo…ka ten em avang in…a eng a pawh ni se la, a ten in ka ten ve tawp…
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January 26th, 2008 at 4:41 am
kei poh ka ten,mizo poh hi mkh an tam toh an ti,mi pangai deuh2 zingah hian,mahni ramah an nihna ti lang ngam lo in ram dangah chuan an baby thei raps an ti
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January 26th, 2008 at 5:59 am
Ral khat atanga ka lo thlir ve dan mai mai chuan Episcopal kohhran dawtah chuan PCUSA hi a liberal pawl niin ka lo hmu a. Gay leh lesbian chungchang hi hman atanga an chai tawh a ni a, tunah official-in la ordain rih lo mah se rei tak chu an tang zo lo mai awm mang e ka lo ti deuh. Mizoram Presbyterian kohhran nen hian thawhhona thuthlung nei an ni a, hengte pawh hi nakinah chuan en that a la tul hun a awm mai awm mang e…Mizoram Presbyterian kohhran member ka nihnain ngaihdan ka han sawi ve mai mai.
Homosexuality hi thenkhat ngaihdana pianpui a ni lo. Mihring than len chhohna boruak leh zirtirna a zirin miin hetiang lam hi an lo awn mai thin a ni zawk tih hi hre phawt ila.
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January 26th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
A nih leh thil dang daih: MKH nilo, TUAI ve mai mai, mipa ngaizawng kherlo, mahse hmeichhia pawh bem tum chuanglo, hmeichhia ang chiaha awm, heng ho hi in ngaihdanah a dik em? (Lar duh vanga tuai nilo, “identity crisis” nei ve ho hrim hrim hi)
Achhanchu ka lo hmuh ve dan mai mai chuan, Mizoramah hi chuan open-gay tak hi an la tam em em lova, mahse open-tuai hi chu veng tin deuh thaw ah hian an awm an tih te hi enge in ngaihdan?
Kan Kohhran (Presbyterian) ah te hian “Tuai Upa” te hi, engtikah emawni chuan kan la neih in ring em? Achangchuan tiang vel mai mai te hi ka ngaihtuah thin a, rilru pawh a la thui hle mai.
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January 26th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
He tiang thil hi mihringte zingah a thlen thin fo avang hian engkimah hian inrelbawlna dik leh felfai tak neih a thatna chu ani.Lal Isua lo kal leh hma loh chuan khawvel hian hmalam panin kalzai a relzel dawn a kohhran chhungkuaah pawh buh lem leh buh tak an to za anga ngaihdan in anglo tak tak,rindan in ang lo tak takte pawhin ro anla rel tlang chho zel dawn avangin kohhranah pawh hian thurin tha tak leh inawpna thatak neih a ngai tak meuh meuh a kristiante hi Pathian nung ringtute nimah ila famkimlo minhring kan nih tlat avangin kohhrana rawng kan bawltlanaah pawh hian inkaihhruaina dan thatak hi a awm angai a,Kohhran rawngbalna turah pawh rawtna kawng hranghrangin a lut thei a,kohhran tih atana awm lo tak pawh rawtna lut thei ani mahse tih puitlina a awm loh chuan rawtna a luh vang ringawtin an pawmin an zawm tihtheih an ni chuang lo ani.Hetiang a nih avang tak hian rorel khawl an awm angai a,Pathian kaihhruaina a kohhran inawpna dan diktak hmanga ankal zel atangkaina chu ani.
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January 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Han comment loh zet ka tum a, mahse, tlemte lo tarlang ve ila: Tuai satliah, incheidan leh cheziaa nu hnap ho hi che tuai hle mah se, an pa ru duh fu a. An rilru pawh chutiang chiah chuan a pa em em ve thei tho bawk. Cheziaah erawh hmeichhia ang hlauh. Heng te hi chu enkawldan leh chhawnchheihdan a zirin an upa a, a reh ve mai thin niin an sawi thin a. Dik pawh a dikin ka ring. Nupui neih sak hnuah phei chuan an tuai renglo an ti thin.
Amaherawhchu, mipa itna nei tlat an chi hi chu awmherh vang hrim hrim pawh ni lovin, pianpui thil a ni ve mai thei a, amaherawhchu hei pawh hi tumna a awm chuan, kawng a awm ang bawkin, an ngaihtuahna leh suangtuahna hi an thlak thawk thei ve bawk a. Chutianga thlak thawk chu sawi tur an tam em em a ni. Mahse, tumruhna nghet tak an neih a ngai thung..an ti thin. Hei pawh hi enkawldan a zir leh chhawntheihdan a zir a ni ve ngei ang. Mahse, open taka society a an tlaktlum viau chuan sim aiin a zualkai thei. Awmherh vang hrim hrim pawhin a pung viau thei bawk ang. Mahse, ringtu nunah chuan Pathian phal loh a ni a. Nasa taka Pathian thu an zawm a ngai dawn tihna a ni.
Kohhran inrelbawlna sawi takah chuan USA hi chu Protestant ram tih a ni a. Catholic pawh an tam em em. Mahse Protestant leh Catholic zawnga khaikhin chuan catolic chu tlemte an ni. (see the history of the churches in USA) Methodist an lian em em. Batist an lian em em. Prebyterian an lian em em. Mahse, Europe ah thung chuan Catholic an lian em em a. A ram pum hian catholic ram tih theih vek a ni hlawm. Kohhran upa tak leh kohhran ding hmasa a lo ni a, an inrelbawldan a lo ngialnghet a. Reform hunah khan kehchhe lo phei se chu kristian zawng zawng hi catholic kan ni deuh fur ngei ang. Mahse, kohhran pawh hi reform a ngai fo a, politic te pawh. Chuvangin kan thurin te, kan rindan te, kan ngaihdan te hi khawvel inher danglam ang zela, kan her rem hi a ngaih thin avangin reform hi kohhran leh politic pawh hian a mamawh ve thin a ni.
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January 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
My friend Sandman,
Keia tlem lo hriat ve dan chuan i sawi ang (“MKH nilo, TUAI ve mai mai, mipa ngaizawng kherlo, mahse hmeichhia pawh bem tum chuanglo, hmeichhia ang chiaha awm”) an awm anih pawn retheih vang emaw, hrisel loh vang emaw anni hlwm awm mange. Mahse sociologist or specialist ka ni leu.
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January 26th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Pian phung hrim hrima mipa leh hmeichhia ni kawp / mipa leh hmeichhe inkar(ambiguous sex) hi an awm leh a, an serh pawh mipa chiah lo, hmeichhia chiah bawk lo ang vel hi. Heng hi entirnan pawn lamah mipa angin an lang thei a, chhunglama an nihna tak ‘Gonadal sex’ erawh chu hmeichhia a ni daih thei. Chutiang bawkin pawn lama hmeichhia, chhung lama mipa an awm thei bawk. Heng te erawh hi chu MKH an ni miah lo va, an sex pianpui a fuh lo ve hrim hrim zawk a ni.
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January 26th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
Keimah says, “Homosexuality hi thenkhat ngaihdana pianpui a ni lo. Mihring than len chhohna boruak leh zirtirna a zirin miin hetiang lam hi an lo awn mai thin a ni zawk tih hi hre phawt ila.” A dik ka ti.
Christian ethics kan zirnaah pawh lehkhabu tam takah an tarlan dan a ni a, biologically lam hi chu mi tam zawk pawm dan chu a ni lem lo.
Hengho kan en dan leh hmuh dan erawh hi kan insiam rem deuh chu a ngaiin ka hria. In hawng taka an hnena chanchin tha hrilhtu hi an mamawh tak zet a ni. An bula kal ringawt pawh hi kan tiltip deuh chu a ni si a. Eiruk hmangho bula kal erawh chu kan hreh hauh lem si lo.
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January 27th, 2008 at 5:39 am
I’m a catholic and not Presbyterian but “Shame on Presbyterian” tih ang kher zawng a, a pum huap a an dem vek khi chu a trul ka ti lo ang reng…He khawvel hian engtikah nge mimal thiamlohna(in general) hi mimalah chauh kan dem thiam ang? IF ONLY Stereotyping could cease to exist, it will make this world a whole lot of better place to crawl in..
BTW Homosexuality hi biological ani lo maw? emaw ka lo ti char char a..I would love to see some scientific study or prove…a mak ve em alom but then i do know that if u condition a baby boy all his life to be a girl, he will eventually become one(personality wise). But the success rate of this too is ‘wobbly’ (lolz @ wobbly)
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January 27th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Dear spikey, a hnuaia site hi lo visit chhin mai mai teh..an thu hi a lai viauin ka hria:
https://www.narth.com/menus/about.html
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