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   Aryan Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

   “in 1993-95 are still fresh in Chakmas mind. Police never registered any complaints, so most educated Mizos would never know abt it. I was there at my village, when 2 truck full loads of supposedly MZP pple reached in the evening and immediately ordered the Village Council members to arrange 2-3 big pigs and dogs accompanied by local rice wine.They enjoyed their feast and started roaming around the village and caught many village girls unaware and what happened next was shameful.”

   Khi khi a va rapthlak ve a, a dik chiah em? TV vela misual deuh inhrosa vel pawh an va ang ve a. Khitiang tak khian MZP ho hi in in hrosa thin ami? Mi khua a kala vawk leh ui talh luih sak te chu a van Mizo zia lo ve? Misuaksual tawpkhawk tihawm tawk lek ani. Mr Chakma khan MZP ho hming hmerh a i hriat chuan han sawi lang teh.

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   funny Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 12:42 pm

   Racist in sawi takah chuan Central YMA hian Vai mistiri vel hlawh tih tlem a, mizo mistiri hlawh tih sanna thuchhuah a siam ami? Hetiang thawm hriat in nei em.?

   Tak tak anih chuan enge an tih chhan niang aw… Dan lo lek kawh ve ngawt theihna an nei em?

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   Thahminga Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

   @Aryan, #51, i sawi that ve ber tum ni in ka hria.

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   zualbonez Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

   H Chakma-a sawi hi a dik hmel khawp mai…MZP ho chet dan a va nih duh hmel em

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   karei Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

   Chakma ho hian Mizoram tan enge an contribute ve?
   Media hmanga Mizo tih hmingchhiat leh refugee lakluh bak…

   Kan Burma unau te chuan hna hrehawm tak2 kan thawh peihloh pawh an thawk peih asin!

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   zualbonez Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

   @ 55…contribute chu an neih ve ngei khi….MZP ho tan vawksa , Uisa leh duichuani/tinchuani local…hairehai

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   karei Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

   MZP Long March neih laia Congress thalai hovin anlo tihbuai te kha hria sela chuan Chakma/Takam ho hian kan Chief Minister zawhawm tak hi zah kumkhua tur anni asin…….

   Chakma/Takam refugee ho chu Mizoramah an lungawi theih loh chuan an ram(RANGAMATI) ah kan thawn haw leh vek mai dawn ami?

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   vlchinzah Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

   @funny, Vai mistiri hoin hlawh an duh ang ang an pun kha tha ti loin YMA chuan a fixed sak ani awm e. A hnu lawkk ah mizo mistiri hoin an hlawh a let deuh thaw atam in an rawn in siam ani awm e.
   YMA hian tum nei ranin an tih ka ring a, ka lo rin dan mai mai chuan ram leilung fate tan hna tam zawk alo awm a, Vai ho tam tulh tulh tur vennan an ti anih ka ring deuh.

   A ler a thuai chhum YMA hian a tum ni in ka hria, Mizo te hi kan moral, work culture hrim hrim hi a chhhe hle hengte hi siam tha hmasa i la kan hlawk pui ka ring.

   OT dal ah Chakma leh Tuikuk mizoaram a awm ho hi ka ngai thei lo hran lo, enge maw mah hma a, zualko an chin bakah anih na bak a mi hek an ching hi ka ten in ka hua. An chief minister ani ve tho a an haw tak tak anih chuan hmai chhan ah te hmu ve mai ang hmiang, hetianga anih na bak a Mizo min bei fo hi sim rawh se.

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   hltau Says:
   May 18th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

   “a chhang eitute chu doral an chang leh ta si a” Chakma ho chu vati zia lo ve, state dangmah in District council an pek phal loh lai in, Pu hawla’n (Vai Hawla an tih nachhan poh ni maithei) duhsak takin District Council a pe a, an huat leh mai si ten. Inti unau hliah hliah tur an ni a sin. MPC hote hi a ron lal leh a nga Chakma district council thiah tur anti leh hep mai tur a sin,.

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    hltau Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Chakma ho chu mi hek an ching zet zet lutuk, Delhi ah te hian an kal a, planning commission ah te hian an kal zung zung a, an chan thatna tur a nih chuan an hek zet zet a, Mizo officer tam tak kan awm ve a, thiante kan lo nei a, makti ang reng deuh leh min melh deuh hrek chung hian an sawichhuak leh tho si a, an buaithlak ve khop mai.

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    Krista Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Comment number 42-na a H Chakma thusawi khi a dik mai thei, hetih hunlai hi Kamalanagar-a ka awm lai a ni a, hriat chu ka nei nual. MZP te kha kan hotute chu an puitling viau a mahse kum lama naupang deuh te kha an awm thiam lo deuh a ni. Mahse a sawi ang em em chuan a thlen awm reng reng ka hre lo. Khaw hal pawh hi a thleng chiah lo. Tin, MZP ten vawk an talh tirna hi Udalthana emaw Thanzamazora emaw Simsilui emaw pawh lo ni se, heng khua ah hian a sawi hunlai hian Truck a lut thei lem lo. Tin, Sikul hal pawh khi an tum tih erawh chiang takin ka hria. An hal tum pawh vote bawm an dahna sikul a ni. Kan MZP hruaitu pakhat kha an kap hman teuh khawp mai.

    Tin, Chakma hi ka burbun leh vak thin. Hman kuma ADC pathumin UT an dil chung changah pawh khan Chakma hi kan tawngpawng huat vei tlawr a, a kaikuang tak chu anmahni a ni lem lo tih hriat fo a tul khawp mai.

    Bru ho pawh phei hi chu Mizo thiantha tak an ni mai hian ka hre thin. Tlemin hnam naupang zawk an nihna a lang thin tih mai loh chu.

    Minority chungchang issue sawi hian keimahni pawh hi India pumpui ang huapin kan nih ve tho zia hi ka ngaihtuah chhuak fo thin.

    Tin, unau chakma lampang pawn Pu Hawla hi chutiang em em in lo haw lem suh u. Don’t judge him by only one saying. You know how much he did for the Chakma people. Me also i come across many times when Chakma officials raised their voice against the Mizos. Please do calm down, i beleive it will be hard to do it because of some comments, but you can try it. Otherwise we could have made issue more than Dangu Hawla.

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    # 61 Krista….hi chu sawitha thin mange…..Krista Jindabaaad

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    @Krista, the said incident happened at Borapansury Village.
    Many Chakma houses were burnt at Marapara Village, Haulong sora Village. Budhist temples were burnt in Bulongsury Village, Hojoisury Village and Toijoingpul Village. Most Chakma families were thrashed at Phairungkai Village. Matrisora, Burunosury, Kurbalobasora, Demagiri, Diglibagh and many other Chakma villages bore the burnt & abuses of MZP. Inspite of such attrocities, Chakma community has reacted very responsibly by remaining Peaceful. And suddenly, when we see our own very CM denigrating the Chakma community and asking MZP to be vigilant is considered as instigating for violenece against the Chakmas. You know even the weakest person will fight back when he knows his life is in danger. We all know how Mizoram was created because of similar kind of discrimination against the Mizo community by then Assam and Central govt. We majority Chakmas do not want a disintegrated Mizoram and want to contribute more for the progress of the State. But how could we contribute when we are being discriminated, abused and denigrated….? One thing must be understoon by Dangu Hawla and all Mizo brothers that, Mizoram can never be developed and attained peace without the Chakmas. The sooner Dangu Halwa and others Chakma bashers realise this the better it will be for all of us.

    @Zualbone, all we demand is a dignified existence & equal rights. Is that asking for more?

    @Kimi, Thanks for your support for the truth. Plz take many more Mizos with you in your next trip. We would like to reach out to secular & forward thinking Mizos. YEs bible says, “Love your neighour thy your brother”. In mizoram the opposite is True…alas!

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    @ H Chakma,….No, you are not asking for much. You have equal rights as us, so long as you are an Indian citizen and do not seek to carve out your own land out of our beloved Mizoram.. :-)…You very well know how many of us are there- hardly a few lakhs of pure Mizo stock, therefore an addition of a few hundred/thousand Chakmas from bangladesh now and then can change the entire demographics. This in turn will give rise to a lot of problems…Can you honestly say that most Chakmas living now in present Mizoram are true Indians by birth??

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    Krista Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    #63: H. Chakma i see… So sad…. Anyway let us stop here or we will let our friends fish into the troubled water. Your last sentence meant to me something but worthless.

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    steel Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Pu Hawla chu rin ai in a mawl trek truk hle mai…hehe
    there are certain things to be said publicly at such a level like the CM, MP, Minister….

    hairehai

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    H.Chakma….may i remind you that the reason Chakmas are getting this privileges is because of Lal Thanhawla only..

    And to remind you once again, your predecessors had waged the war first by killing innocent Christian pastor and her child, a policeman…

    And if you may let me tell you…the Chakmas had erected a bomboo pole near the border of Hauruang which is 1 hour journey from Lunglei, saying that the pole marked the area of the Chakmaland..

    Considering all these, do you think the Mizo people were doing anything in retaliation of these acts???

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    @Zualbonez, I wish i could show you how we feel about Mizoram. But let me share a little bit, we are presently working for more than 250 Mizo families through an organization for their @Old Age Pension,@Job Card @Anganwadi centres.
    The wrong notion about illegal Chakmas from across the border raised time & again, unfortunately without any substance. Look, there wre a group of Chakma who took refuge in Mizo Autonomous District Council from Bangaldesh in 1964. All of them were relocated to NEFA (now Arunachal) by Indian Govt. Another few batches came to take refuge later who were similarly relocated by the Govt. to Tripura till they left after 1997 peace agreement with Bangladesh. Now, what makes you doubt that we couldn’t keep them with us in Mizoram? It is simple, we are law abiding & peaceful community. So, i can assure you there are no illegal Chakma migrants from across the border. Now what do you ssuggest about illegal Mizo Foreigners who came from Burma and Bangladesh? There are thousands of Mizos who crossed illegally from Bangladesh. Plz file an RTI to find population register of Demagiri (Zodin). Just demand for 2011 census and 1981 Census. It will be more than 1000% growth. What do you do with them. Who will raise a voice against those illegal Mizo migrants? Will you? If that do not suffice, plz google Mizo/Lusei population in Bangladesh, they are reduced every year.Now, I wouldn’t believe they go any where else but not Mizoram for a simple fact, most of them cross over through Chakma Villages. Not long ago, in Jan 2010 a Mizo group was caught by BSF at Marpara while crossing the border from Bangladesh? Would you say it is OK, because they are Mizo…? I apologize for being repeatative, if u may allow me; Can u tell how many illegal Chakma migrants were caught crossing the border? or for that matter how many Chakmas were caught in illegal Drugs trading, smuggling of arms & ammunition, killing or rape? You have to accept you will draw blank? But if you ask me the same question, I can cite hundreds of news report where Mizos have been caught in all of those from Jaipur to Champai. Well, plz donot misunderstand me, I don’t mean to show Mizo community in bad light. It is to make a point that Chakmas are biggest contributor of PEACE in Mizoram. which is Pricelss. So, plz don’t denigrate us. Give us equal rights and equal opportunity, we are and shall remain exemplary community of Mizoram.
    The above points r just an extension of larger debate. Though the main point is # our head of state Dangu CM Halwa making Racist statement against the Chakma Community and instigating MZPs to be vigilant of Chakmas. I codemn it and I would like to see our CM to come out in public to restore our love & respect for him. Else he will remain a condemned leader. What’s your opinion…?

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    kan edit theih loh chu..ka grammar chu ka va haw mai2 eee

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    whitelotus Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    if our state CM hs said somethng that is mention above. Then surely he is at fault. He has to make a clarification n testify hs position on it. Mani ram kan tia, chakma ho po hi kan nau an ni lom. We wud also b ferious if sume1 says anything abou mizoram. Instead of havin internal problems like this everyone should look into the bigger picture. I dnt think chakma’s living in mizoram r refugee’s. If any1 say dey are… Den None of da tribes r original inhabitant of da land… Jst incase it ws jst a niche on first cum serve basis…

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Dear brothers and sisters, If I would be allowed to say this, I would like to say that this issue at hand (alleged racist statement by CM Lalthanhawla) is NOT a “CHAKMAS VERSUS MIZOS” issue/debate. It is about a Chief Minister allegedly making racist comments in the public forum against a section of the people who are his own citizens. This is unbecoming of a Chief Minister. So, it will be good that Lalthanhawla comes out with a public statement clarifying his position on the Aizawl Post (28 April 2011) report.I heard that CADC CEM, KK Tongchangya has clarified that the Honb’le Chief Minister did not utter such words against Chakmas. But if it is true, then a formal clarification should follow. Not only Chakmas, but even Mizos have the right to know what our Chief Minister’s views are.If he thinks necessary, he can take legal action against The Aizawl Post, if the newspaper had reported wrongly which has surely damaged the reputation of Lalthanhawla at national level.Unless he issues a clarification, citizens will level him as ‘racist’ which is hugely embarrassing for him.

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    @chemtatrawta, The problem is the language of violence. Plz take legal course against those Chakmas who u think were doing illegal activities. Violence is definitely not the answer for any or all issues. Just like we are debating now, we may not agree but it is very important to discuss and sort things out.

    If i may point out that is exactly the reason, Chakmas never codemned the Mizo Community but the person who did it. This time it is @Dangu Halwa who made a Racist remarks against the community and I am confident you would agree that Chakmas as equal citizen of Mizoram have rights to demand clarification from their CM. And unbiased opinion and voice of gentleman like you is very important for the same apparent reason. I wish I could take you to Chakma blogs where 100s are debating. Most Chakmas look upto Mizos for unity, education, cleanliness etc. However, the CM comment hardly compensate the affectionate heart of the Chakmas. I would like to know your opinion on @Dangu Hawla’s remark

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    vlchinzah Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    CHakma = Hnawksak a sawi loh tawp tur asawi.

    Bru = Tuikuk, A pawina ka van hre lo Bru ho chu Tuikuk tih hi an hnam hming a kan neih kum khua ani si a.

    An zualko duh anih leh thudik tak in amah CM hnenah zualko mai se, Thu belh chian dawl vak lo leh lak kawih hnu a mualpho thei ang ber zawng a national news paper vel a an chhuah kher thin hi sim ve hlawm teh se.

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    yeah..i condemn his act, if ever he made such remarks against the Chakmas…

    But, the points which I brought out… Did the chakmas take the steps to hand over the guilty who were charged of those brutal murders?..If ever they did their part to hand over the perpetrators of such heinous crimes and murders, would the attrocities against the Chakmas at the later times be averted??..Do you think the CHakma commmunity did ever hand over their people who were charged against those activities??

    One more question…WHAT IS THE INTENTION OF BEHIND THE SETTING UP OF THE SHANTI BAHINI?(I may be mistakin, the Chakma rebel outfit)???

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    I demand right to freedom of checking illegal immigrants (for ordinary citizens) in Southern/Western Mizoram.

    Our politicians smile to those who vote um, because they vote um. That sucks

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Pchakma, May i ask you ..

    WHAT DO YOU THINK… TAKING THINGS TO THE NEWSPAPER BEFORE THINGS HAD BEEN CLARIFIED OFFICIALLY BY THE HON’ CEM OF CADC??..

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    H. Chakma… Firstly, Great job with the socil work, keep it up!

    Secondly, yes, it was irresponsible on the part of our CM in passing a racist remark. It was unbecoming of a person elected as head of democratic institution.

    Thirdly, the case of Chakmas from outside the state and of Mizos from outside the state are two very different issues. Mizos are defined as a nation by way of blood and lineage and not by geographic boundaries. In this regard any one with this qualification is called a Mizo, whether the person is from Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura, Bangaldesh, Burma etc…and they have the right to be defined as Mizos and to come and live in Mizoram…We do accept that a lot of social issues also crop up, but then those are different matters not to be mixed up with this one…Even I have relatives in bangaldesh who have stayed there after partition..are they lesser Mizos than me? answer is no..even their descendants will be known as Mizos as long as they carry our surname and the Mizo blood flows though their veins…Chakmas, with due respect, cannot lay claim to that as you are guests who have been allocated a room within our house…You are also right in saying that Chakmas are a peaceful lot- the basic tenets of Buddhism have taught you well…but then you are not entirely peaceful..please explain shanti baheni?? …At the same time Mizos are one of the most peaceful people in India, case example, our evolution into one of the most peaceful state in India…Of course we have our own red neck hooligans aka MZP and their likes, but their actions cannot define the entire community…

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    Fonz Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    H and P Chakma, how many UPC’s are there amoung you folks?

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    azilchaks Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Mizoram-ah chakma wm xong2 te hi refugee an ni vek khr lo anya mizo te pw mizoram mi le sa an ni vek khr cuanglo..mizo tam tak pw bangladesh atagn an lokal a aizawla lh hmun hrang2a an kwsa mek tho………….

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    H Chakma #68.

    The CM should’nt make racist remarks if that truly happens. If he’s talking about legal Chakma’s of course.

    Chakma’s in Mizoram, Arakan and Bangladesh are Chakma’s as we the MIZO’s are Mizo’s no matter where we are (now). The Mizo’s in Burma, bangladesh, Tripura, Assam, Manipur etc. are brothers, just like Chakma’s of Bangladesh and Arakan are to you.

    Shanti Bahini’s are fighting for your rights in Bangladesh why bother to stay cool and play politics here in Mizoram, the land of The Mizo’s. This is Mizoram (Mizoland). This days you keep your cool and try to do things legally and cleverly. Back in the days i still remember how dangerous Bangladesh border used to be because i was there too. And those who read papers and listen to radios would still remember about rape, torture and killings of local Mizo’s as well as Mizo missionaries to the Chakma’s. Yes i still remember clearly. But with your cunning/foxy mind you’ve figured out that violence will not solve your problem so you start to approach the central government almost down on your knees begging them to take care of you and crying about how badly the Mizo’s treated you.

    We know, those who are born here in Mizoram before such and such year (unfortunately,i don’t remember which year) is a citizen of Mizoram even if they’re not Mizo’s. But no other race other then Mizo’s are permitted to stay permanently in Mizoram, if they’re born after that year. That is unless their grandparents are born here in Mizoram, that we clearly know. I hope and pray that rules/law? haven’t been changed! And you very well know (i am positive) that many Chakma’s are born fully grown here in Mizoram. that sucks.

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    Fonz Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    They use thought only to justify their injustices, and speech only to disguise their thoughts. Voltaire …han ti ve leh thuai ila, awmzia hre map lo in lol.

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    #80 3rd para 7th line correction: “…Mizo missionaries to the Chakma’s by the Chakma’s.

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    @chemtatrawta, Shantivahini means Peace Force. Im not sure but I guess theirs was a political struggle for all Jummas including Lusei in Bangladesh. The clarification should come from the person who made it not his Political croonie.
    @Vangchia, yes checking of illegal migrants is the responsibility of conecrned officials not hooligans.
    @Zualbonez, I beg to disagree with you on illegal migrants. illegal migrant is an illegal migrant, irrespective of the community he/she belongs. Look at Indian origin in Africa,Mauritius,US,UK. They cannot just eneter India illegally and settle down just by the virtue of being Indian origin or descendent. And if i may suggest you to this blog where myths on Chakmas is defined with facts & precision https://paritosh-chakma.blogspo.....zoram.html
    @Fonz, I didn’t understand UPC’s?

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    chemtatrawta Bro’ first of all Shanti Bahini were never a part of chakma rebel outfit in Mizoram. They no longer exist even in Bangladesh after they have signed the Peace Accord in 1997. The intention behind setting up Shanti Bahini in Bangladesh is almost similar to what our Mizo National Front of Mizoram was set up for, obviously freedom, to live in peacefully & harmony, to live in a dignified way as your living now. As you may think so, Shanti Bahini was never set up in India it was an outfit set up in Bangladesh to fight for the cause of the Chittagong hill Tract where not only chakma people live even Mizo, Manipuri..etc live

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    H Chakma #88 on your reply to Zualbonez: Illegals are illegals but you’d know it’s human nature to give shelter to your brother rather then to some other people. And that’s unwritten rules

    And yes i was talking about if only the Mizo’s have the right to check illegal aliens. If i am not mistaken, even if non Mizo’s are born here in Mizoram that does not directly gives them citizenship (legally). That is unless their grandparents are born here before such year. Oh, how i wish i remember that year.

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    @ chemtatrawta: Chakmas want clarification from the Chief Minister himself. Chakma CEM is not the spokesperson of the Chief Minister. We want a formal response. Moreover, why CM is silent if the newspaper had wrongly quoted about him, has been left unanswered. Chakma CEM is just the “chela” of Lalthanhawla (they belong to the same party)

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    H.Chakma & DPU..

    Both agree with me on the presence of the Shanti Bahini..

    May i ask you again??

    If you say that Shanti Bahini is an outfit in bangladesh and never part of Chakma rebel outfit in Mizoram..THEN WHO THE SH** MUST BE WHO DID AMBUSH THE MIZORAM POLICE AND TOOK THEIR PRECIOUS LIVES WITH SUCH A GOOD QUALITY AK-47, WHO CLAIMED THAT THEY ARE THE SHANTI BAHINI????

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    pchakma, bona , are you from Chawngte C?

    chemtatrawta, We were surrounded and treatened by Shanti Bahini’s back in the 80′s inside Mizoram.

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    Fonz Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Eh!!! va thutak hlawm ve, caps te an hmang vel.

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    My dear H Chakma…we cannot have the same law for each and every community…Why else would the constitution of India come up with the 6th schedule or why have Hindu marriage act and the likes. Though the constitution of India tries to safeguard the right of each and every community there are certain issues and matters which it has not addressed in the best way…Politically, yes, a Mizo migrant from Burma is not an Indian citizen but nonetheless he is still a Mizo, and as our blood brother we have obligations to help him and to invite him to our house, irrespective of the constitutional bottleneck. However you are not a brother but a neighbor who is living within our premises. OF course it does not give us the right to treat you as lesser human beings, but at the same time you have to also understand that it does not give you the right to invite more of your kin into our guest room or to behave irresponsibly… Actually the realms of the Mizo nation stretch beyond our present boundaries, historically partd of Manipur, bangladesh, Assam, Tripura and Burma were our ancestral land…we just got divided during partition and after the partition of the land among various states..

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    PCHAKMA, lets get to your supposition that the press had made false allegation against the C.M….

    Then, whom do you think, would brought the news to the newspapers??..Do you think a Mizo would provide such allegation against his CM…??..Its very clear that a CHakma will provide the news…if you use your pure conscience…

    If you happen to be the Chief Minister, then would you bow down against such allegations??.

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “…you are not a brother but a neighbor who is living within our premises. OF course it does not give us the right to treat you as lesser human beings, but at the same time you have to also understand that it does not give you the right to invite more of your kin into our guest room or to behave irresponsibly… Actually the realms of the Mizo nation stretch beyond our present boundaries, historically partd of Manipur, bangladesh, Assam, Tripura and Burma were our ancestral land…we just got divided during partition and after the partition of the land among various states..

    Indeed

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    Fonz Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    H.Chakma . i wanna add more to what homeboy zualbonez said at comment number 90, if u are gonna invite more of ur kin invite only beautiful girls.

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    Punongchan Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    @ Chemtatrawta..

    Which particular incident are you referring to?? Have you mistaken the ambush by the BNLF(Bru National Liberation Front) on Mizoram police’s Hunter Force in the year 2000?

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Fonz, hairehai

    #85 a ka sawi kum (year) khi lo hre teh u a, Mizo te hian kan hriat theuh a tha ve hrim2.

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    I WANT TO REPEAT THIS AGAIN..

    THE CHAKMAS HAD ERECTED A POLE NEAR THE BOUNDARY OF HAURUANG(approx 1 hour from Lunglei) MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT ALL THE LAND BEYOND THE POLE BELONGED TO THE CHAKMAS….OUT OF WHICH LUNGLEI YMA HAD TAKEN THE SAFETY MEASURES WHICH SAVED THE LIVES OF INNOCENT CHAKMAS WHO, OTHERWISE WOULD BE WIPED AWAY OWING TO THE ANGER OUSTED OUT BY THE CHAKMA REBELS AMING THE MIZO…

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Sorry Brother chemtatrawta, I cannot comment on this because I have never heard about it when it had happened. If it’s true then I may have not born or quite small during those times and it is a Condemnation act of them. You cannot hate each and every chakma for that.
    I cannot agree with you being the presence of Shanti Bahini elsewhere because I have no such proof, haven’t heard of their existance now, may be you have a proof so you’re sayin.
    Try to understand the Chakmas are no “Hnawksakh” in Mizoram as stated by the Mr. Chief Minister. Whatever the Mizos want the Chakmas also want the same thing peace, prosperity & development. Please simply do not spread the hatred toward the Chakma amongs your Christain Mizo fellow brothers and Sisters. Please have the feeling of true christian. I must tell chakma are no treat to any mizo

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    dpu, bona, Chawngte khua i ni em– a-ge ni?

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    Benny Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Nl.Rohmingthangi thattu pawh chakma. Mahse, a thisen chhuak(martar thisen) chuan engemawzat krista hnenah a hruai thleng.

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    #93 (Y)(Y)…chhelo deuh deuh an awm thin nia ooo..

    Punongchan….not that…for which a retaliation by the Assam Rifles nearly took the life of one Mizo in Lunglei..i clearly remembered that…while on their way for a mission to find out the perpetrators??

    And bout the Pastor and his child being killed by the Chakma without any reason…that guy was my friend’s granfather..

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    H.Vangchhia Aw Bona ni e….I dam mawh?

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    Fonz Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    97
    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
    Sorry Brother chemtatrawta, I cannot comment on this …….e Chakmas are no “Hnawksakh” in Mizoram as stated by the Mr. Chief Minister. Whatever the Mizos want the Chakmas also want the same thing peace, prosperity & development….
    …ihhh everybody says they are for peace even Goebbels, Hitler and saddam were for peace but the question is “what kind of peace?”. ti leh daih ang …

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Vangchhia Bona, Kawnge I awm ah Tunah? Chief Minister Racist Remarks Chu tha lo a ni ka, ti rawh?

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    To H & P and dpu Chakma’s: Yian ki?

    dpu, Legal citizen te chu remarks insiam khumloh a tha viau. Chuan Chawngte C ah chuan Pu Kushol h/o Pi Bidia kha i hria em? Atil te, Batti te kha i hria em. Atil chu Nirupam Chakma driver atang tawh hahahaa

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    hahaha.. Vangchhia Bon, tui hawh? Yian ki?…give me answer, Love you brother

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    dpu, Chawngte C ah chuan Pu Kushol h/o Pi Bidia kha i hria em? Atil te, Batti te kha i hria em. Atil chu Nirupam Chakma driver atang tawh

    bona, mot age ni

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    DPU,..if you mentioned the house burnt or any attrocities against Chakmas, most of the time it happened because you had crossed the line..i should say..not to hurt your sentiments..

    The simple reason why i mentioned such incidents was because of the allegations your accomplices have brought out about the incidents against the Chakmas by the Mizos, thereby instigating among some of my friends condemning their own tribes..of which i completely disagree..and to make them realize that those violence may have been triggered by the very act of the Chakmas… Just to make a clarification, but not to justify the violence..

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    An hre vek aw lom.. Vangchhia Bon.

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    @ chemtatrawta: my dear friend, it was first reported in The Aizawl Post on 28 April. The Aizawl Post is not owned by a Chakma, nor is there any Chakma journalist in Mizoram. Because the CM spoke in a public function (felicitation programme of HSLC toppers hosted by MZP), the Aizawl Post picked up the story. Why blame the Chakmas here, there, everywhere? If at all, blame the Chief Minister for this racial outburst, luckily for the world, captured by a Mizo journalist.

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    dpu, The answer for #108 is #85 2nd para.

    Atil te batti te nen khan Suruti kan rim thin,Nurse Aruti nau kha.

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Chakma thiante ho ..1995 nge 1996 khan Pu Nirupam ami kha thi kha (MLA rei deuh kha) ..khami tum pawh khan ka pa nen kan lo kal an in leh hal na ah…

    bottomline is we have no problem in drinking duichuani with our chakma neighbors provided that they are peaceful legal reidents…

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Vangchhia.. I zak lo lutuk Bona…

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    dpu, Sorki kha ala dam em, Civil SDO chawkidar/peon kha? Atil leh Batti enge an tih thin? Nirupam pawhin min hria alawm. Chawngte C chu ka hria alawm.

    Sudulerha mokoda hairehai

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Vangchhia Bona Stop using stupid comment, if her husband come to know about that, he will kill you. lol

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    Fonz Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Dangpuithu hi sidol an ti em chakma tawng in nge tuikuk tawng zawk? …Pu hv duichhuani hi teenchhuani or charchhuani thleng a awm em?

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    Sorki chu hre lo, mahse Atil leh Batti chu they are fine. Pu. Atil -ah chu Zu he luluk

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    dpu, I heard Suruti sister of Nurse Aruti of Chawngte C married a guy from Tlabung, am i right?

    That’s the Atil i know hahahahah that mokoda mui hahahaha he still drinks eh. He’s been drinking heavily since 1980′s Duichuani and dosani is his favorite hahaha. Tell him you’re Mizo friend from Aizawl ordered you to stop drinking too much hahaha

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    #109, pchakma my dear bro…

    read the source and topic again..” Chakmas decry ‘racist’ Lalthanhawla”" thats all i can say….

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    #77 , sorry zualbonez , I do not buy your argument that there should be two yard sticks to measure Chakmas and Mizos in Mizoram. How can a Mizo from Bangladesh or Myanmar settle down illegally and take Indian citizenship? Law does not permit this (unless they meet the legal standards). Political boundaries of States do not recognize “citizens by blood or lineage”. Going by your argument, every Bengali from Bangladesh will be accepted as legal citizens of India in West Bengal only because they belong to case community? That is ridiculous.

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    Punongchan Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    @ chemtatrawta w.r.t. comment number 96…

    That is real funny if any Chakma had done that (erect a bamboo pole as a Chakmaland boundary)..:-) I wonder how seriously one can react to this one so as to warrant retaliation! If erecting a pole give me a sense of legitimacy to claim a piece of land as mine, I would do so right away sitting here in the Capital City (Delhi)..hahaha

    and, w.r.t. your comment number 100…

    That was unfortunate if such a thing happened. As a Chakma I condemn any of such incidents and I am sure my fellow Chakmas feels the same way I do. I can truly understand your pain since the victim was someone you knew; just the same way it pains me whenever I remember watching as a kid my entire village being burnt down by YMA goons in 1992 and spending two sleepless nights in the safe comforts of the jungles as it poured heaving all night through.

    having said that, I think hatred only begets hatred. And, I think we all should talk and try to know each other better and find out a way forward for all of us to live in peace and with dignity.

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Aw, ah pasal chu district council lamah officer in an thawk. Nangmah ex-bial nu have a teenage duaghter, Bangalore ah lekha zir.

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    pchakma, i think i know what zualbonez is mumbling about. Giving shelter to a blood brother is an unwritten law of humanity rather then some other…

    dpu ani maw, enge a fanu hming? ka facebook ah te hian alo awm ange hahahaha

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    @chemtatrawta, If i may point at the direction & intention of your debate, it almost seem like you have cultivated a habit of blaming the Chakmas for everything wrong done by people like Dangu Thanhawla. It pains me to know an educated gentleman like you would candidly say any and every wrong activities are OK if it is done by a Mizo. Well, me & many of my Mizo friends feel disgusted if people doubt our indianness while in Delhi or Kolkata? And u almost justified all those discrimination in Delhi & other metros by conceding that it is OK to discriminate and used the term “Guest” & outsiders if some one do not fall in the category of indigenous to that area. Thus u seem to be comfortable with the idea of Hindustan/India belong to only Hindustanis/Indians and people like you and me should be ready to keep quite for any wrongdoing or injustices against us because we do not belong to Delhi or we do not look like long nose type. Just like u seem to justify any violence against any non mizo. I am afraid you are setting a example

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    ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Wow…haha

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    dpu Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Vangchhia, love your Brothers Chakma people, do not hate them. Come to chawgte again, pure tasty Zu kilai dawn aw

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    P chakma….i did not say that they are citizens of India, all i said was that they are our brothers and if they face atrocities it is our dutiful right to take them to our homes and help them recuperate….we never said anything about their permanency…that will be decided as per the constitution…Being a part of the Mizo nation all i said was that they have more rights than foreign Chakmas to this piece of left over land that we call our homeland viz. Mizoram…As far as i remember mizoram is spelled M-I-Z-0-R-A-M and not C-H-A-K-M-A-R-A-M….

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    dpu, kal maithei Chakma kha Kristian ah ka rawn convert vek ang . Field kianga Buddhist temple pawh kha Kristian church ah siam mai ang aw hahahaha Atil chu angaihawm hle mai, he was a good man at heart.

    Suruti fanu hming?

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    ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Helai post ah chuan Chakma MI (misual intawhkhawm) a thleng ni maw? pchakma, H.chakma, dpu….! Next who.. A,B,C,D Chakma..lewl!

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    dpu, kha ngaithla rawh aw:

    Ete marmo…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtiwLpYLW8

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    Punongchan Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    @Zualbonez….

    On a much lighter vein, I think C-H-A-K-M-A-R-A-M sound more sexy than M-I-Z-O-R-A-M for a change. what you say>??lolzz….

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    H.Vangchhia, chemtatrawta and others (including Chakma brothers): Brothers, this should not be a fight (in writing though) between Chakmas and Mizos. Who wants rivalry? None. Then, why are we accusing and counter-accusing each other? Don’t all of us think that Mizos must take Chakmas all along to the path of making Mizoram a model state and all communities must work together for peace, and development ? Then, why are we quarrelling and scoring some brownie points and for what? The real issue here is the alleged racist remarks made by Chief Minister of Mizoram who must be sober/rational in his thoughts, utterances and actions. The broader issues are good governance, accountability, harmony, peace, and development in Mizoram.

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    I second @PChakma opinion on @Zualbonez comments. As @Punongchan said we condemn any wrongdoing by any community including Chakma community. If the CM would have been a Chakma and uttered those Racist remarks, we would have codemned it with more befittingly, because by making Racist remarks he would have ashamed the community in front of the world which is unacceptable.

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    H.Chakma what about wrong doing by giving birth to full grown people?

    As i’ve said earlier, If i am not mistaken, even if non Mizo’s are born here in Mizoram that does not directly gives them citizenship (legally). That is unless their grandparents are born here before such year. Oh, how i wish i remember that year.

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    #120, punongchan…thats what the silly chakma rebels had actually done..and the result is what you predicted..but thanks to YMA… and if you do erect a pole right here in the capital city(Delhi),, I will be there within 1 hour to take that off…hahah…

    But, its difficult for me to understand why you portray only your side of the story i.e the Mizo violence against the Chakmas…which in most cases was triggered by the latter against the former…which make many mizo condemn their brothers which result in the break down of unity amongst us…

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    Sangpuiipa Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Mizotawng in min translate sak phawt ula ka comment ve ang, hehe. Ka dictionary ah a phek a tla then tawh a.

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    @ 130…punongchon….yes sounds quite sexy but C-H-A-K-M-A-R-A-M would sound sexiest within The chittagong hill tracts ..what say you? that’s the place 60% of Chakmas presently residing in CADC comes from …right!!!

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Puitling saa mihring piang tam lutuk hi a buaithlak a ni.

    Ka hriatsual loh chuan Mizoramah hian hnamdang te hi piang mahse, chumi kum hmaa piang thlahte annih loh chuan legally in Mizoram mi leh sa an ni theilo niin ka hria. Chuvangin… ngaihtuah peih te tan.

    A kum ka hre talo chu apawi hle mai. Kha dan kha sut niin ka hrelo tun thleng.

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    chhangban Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    DPI…tha lo.. vangchia ai in ka ron ti mai anih khi.. fel te te khan om teh u… in bengcheng hlom em mai..!

    Kan veng MLA guard pon police motor trawng zet khalh an hnek hrep chu.. sual eee mai.. Ram dangah PEM vek teh u..

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    zualbonez Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    And Shanti Bahini with their outdated pipe guns and Daos would come to CADC and commit violence against innocent Mizos whenever their asses are put on fire by Bangladesh BDR personnels

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    Sangpuiipa Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Pu Hawla hian inthlan dawn chua a zu BIG BRO leh tho lawng maw?

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    zualbonez #139 1980′s khan Shanti bahini te hian min hual a, min vau hrep tawh alawm. Tualchher silai keng anga sawi chu dawt mai mai, an nei tha phian ania.

    And everyone knows they’re armed by the Indian military. And you know what Indian army is armed with… mark 3 rilfe of WW1? naaaa

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    @Dangubi Rempy all for you! Plz join hands to build a modern and prosperous State. And codemn those who intend to devide us for garnering votes!

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    #126 @ zualbonez: And, do you know where is Mizoram? It is in India. Mizoram does not have its own Constitution. India has one and Mizoram is bound by that Indian Constitution. You say that Mizos from other countries should be given more privileges and protection in Mizoram while Chakmas even who are citizens of India in Mizoram should be discriminated and shunned. But do you know, in CHT (Bangladesh) where Chakmas are overwhelmingly majority, Chakmas do not harass Mizos or other smaller tribes. They live in peace and identify themselves as Jummas. If you have any relative in CHT just call him/her and take some advice from him/her on how to live with other communities in harmony.

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    (Mizoram does not have its own Constitution.)

    Correct but, fortunately we have special immigration law for our state so to say… #133 You want facts, that is a fact… but clumsy me i forgot the year…that is a fact too

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    @Vangchhia: And, that “special immigration law” applies to all irrespective of caste or community or religion.

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    chemtatrawta Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    1st point, the CM will never be a Chakma, and you can never say we will do this, if it were a chakma…

    The main reason for this kind of debate is that in the former comments, Chakmas projected the Mizos as very violent and stubborn..in the way they deal with the innocent chakmas.. But, why don’t you take a look at the other side of the story that, the violence against the chakmas are mostly in retaliation to the violence which had occured earlier…you talk and write so nice that many mizos condemn their own brothers…

    in respnse to #123, pchakma..i want to refrain..first take a look at the cause, instead of shouting the consequences..for i truely know that chakmas started the violence first mostly…

    If mizos are violent, then how is it possible that we got a Peace Bonus from the central govt… Please don’t try to shake the unity among the Mizos and live a life of your own..

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    H.Vangchhia Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    pchakma , YES for all non Mizo’s that is… indeed. And including you, if your grandparents were’nt born here in Mizoram before such year (?) you are not legally here. The same goes for all non Mizo’s including typical Indians. Unless the rules/law’s changed i should be correct and i haven’t heard any change of law in this regard.

    Some politicians/people interpret it wrong by saying, “Anyone who are born inside Mizoram are citizens,” but that’s not how the rule/law is. The law says, “Anyone who are not born before (such year) are not citizens of Mizoram”… and not just who are born in Mizoram.

    I think i am right

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    pchakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    #146, “Please don’t try to shake the unity among the Mizos and live a life of your own.” ..This is exactly what I have been saying: dont disturb the communal harmony. But unfortunately, Mizoram CM has tried to disrupt communal harmony by making irresponsible remarks against Chakmas and instigating the MZP (whose function he uttered these hate speech).As I said, it is NOT MIZO VS CHAKMA but about broader issues: how can a Chief Minister of a state make such irresponsible comments. Have you seen anywhere of this nature?

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    H.Chakma Says:
    May 18th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    @Vangchia, looks like you are more familiar with Shanti Bahini, their weapons and Bangladesh than we Chakmas in Mizoram are. May be you are probing my biggest doubt that, You are actually from Bangladesh.
    @Zualbonez, you are probing me wrong by taking all the wrong stands and turning out to be a Racist yourself. Please probe me wrong…..

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

     #143, pchakma….you know why they live in harmony… because our Mizo brothers never created a situation which could lead to the ones we experienced out here in Mizoram by the minority..i.e.the chakma..

     And where is that chakma, who thought of erecting a pole here in the capital city(delhi)..im waiting to remove the pole within one hour…

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

     @chemtatrawta…..

     Like I said, hatred only begets hatred. And, pointing out mistakes does not get us a solution.
     I know Chakma bashing is cool in here at misual.com but the way Chakma bashing takes place in here whenever any Chakma issue crops up I do not think we deserve that, or for that matter any community deserves to be hated or ridiculed or to be portrayed in a negative light the way we have been subjected to.
     I would not have even commented here had it not been for the provocative Chakma bashing that continued since last night and through the day. As any self respecting member of a community will know that being peaceful is one thing and remaining silent when wronged is another.

     I would not agree when you say that it is the Chakmas who always trigger such unfortunate events. I find it problematic when one look into these issues with such preconceived and stereotypical fixed notions. Chakmas and Mizos should break away from such fixed notions.

     A culprit is a culprit(be it a Chakma or a Mizo) and in this case we must all condemn Pu Thanhawla for his irresponsible racist remarks.

     N:B: I will give you a buzz when the Delhi pole comes up:-)

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     chhangban Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

     iam gona rule Mizoram one day.. any how, by any means.. If not a Minister then as a goon.. hahahaha when that day comes.. ther will be no mercy.. all of you will have to tlawn mi.. hahahaha

     Iam sooo of topic.. an very much inthlahrung.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

     @ 143…p chakma…In CHT Chakmas do not harass cause they are too busy protecting themselves from the atrocities committed by the bengali Muslim majority..you think i do not reed about this? and yes i do have relatives who stayed back in bangladesh after partition, some are famous doctors based in Dhaka and Chittagong…my maternal grandfather also retired from the East pakistani police…ooo i know a lot about Bangladesh and CHT…btw from this side of the border i also had the privilege of hearing adn seeing lots of classified information…courtesy of my DAD (of course without his knowledge)..

     What i had said was that we have a duty to help our non Indian Mizo brothers cause blood is thicker than the constitution of India…Not even the entire Indian Air Force fleet, if it were to bomb Aizawl again, can dilute this blood……. Having said this, i do not condone violence and atrocities against peaceful law abiding legal indian chakmas born in Mizoram

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

     Quote-”Chakmas projected the Mizos as very violent and stubborn..in the way they deal with the innocent chakmas”. I am sorry brother but you are probing it correct @chemtatrawta. Plz look at the direction of your comments

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     pchakma Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

     #147: Vangchhia: I now feel that you really do not understand anything about problems, issues, law, constitution and special protection that Mizoram has like ILP and RAP. These are for non-Mizos (ILP), and foreigners (RAP). Not for citizens. I dare Mizoram Police to book me (citizen of Mizoram) under ILP or RAP and I will teach them what is called the rule of law. I just laugh off your imagination.hahahaha….Today I think I will have multiple stitches in my stomach as a result of your comment about myself.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

     #147 2nd para 3rd line Correction: Anyone who are born after…

     Again, i think i am correct on this.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

     Like i said i do not condone violence and atrocities from any quarter…I am as quick to vehemently condemn the actions of our red neck MZP hooligans

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

     #148…why don’t you take a look like this?…WHY ARE WE CALLED’HNAWKSAK’ BY THESE PEOPLE??. ARE WE HNAWKSAK IN ANYWAY TO THESE PEOPLE??…Ask any Mizo, then the majority, particulary from Lunglei side respone would be Direct YES… CHakmas have done enough to create problems….

     And why do you take the topic here and there…just because we have cornered you to the point that the problem was instigated by the Chakmas first??..you take the debate to the violence of the mizos against chakmas in general, and now you take it to what we have agreed….that the CM is wrong and we condemn if ever, he made such remarks…

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

     henry Vangchhia…i have the year in some documents …ka table ah hian a awm reng sia…ka zawng lawks

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     Fonz Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

     

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

     Things are being probed what many actually doubted earlier. Many people in Mizoram are blood thirsty goons and Hate preachers, who do not believe in the rule of law and never abide by the constitution. Most of these Racist are here. Anyone new, plz go through the comments and see those Racist, yourself. I condemn!

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

     pchakma, ILP is for non Mizo’s , correct, but that’s not what i am talking about. Ask some Gorkhali residents and they will tell you. Gorkhali’s are not from Mizoram originally just like Chakmas. According to the law ( if i am not mistaken and i think i am not) anyone who are born before such year (?) in Mizoram and his decendants have the right to own land and vote. Unless your grandparents are born before such year you too is kaput.

     Mizo ho khan he thil hi rawn hrechiang teh u. He dan hi a awm ngei thin anih kha. A kum ka hre ta lo hlauh mai. Kan politicians te hian an sawi chhuak ngailo reng reng. Keini thalai pawh hian kan hre ta meuhlo niin ka hria. Ka hresual lo ngeiin ka hria a ni. Gorkhali ang te thleng hian (non Mizo) chumi kum hmaa piang leh a thlahte chuan in leh lo leh vote Mizoramah an neithei tih ni ngeiin ka hria a ni. Kha dan kha awm ngeiin ka hria a, an thlak pawh kala hre heklo.

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

     #151,,just saying becoz..there was a guy who thought of that..to be done in the CAPITAL CITY…i think he was the only one who stayed there..i dont remember him, though..
     Even me, i Didn’t comment this post until i saw a chakma writing the violence and attrocities meted out to them by the Mizos…

     #154, you are absolutely right..because you are standing on the view point of Chakma..not anywhere else.. ..great view up there..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

     # 161 ..H.Chakma…i am ruled by the unwritten rules of conduct and belief system of my community…if somehow they fall outside the intersection set with the hindoostani constitution so be it…you know why?? cause the Constitution of India is always bended to suit the requirements of the haves and powerful mainland communities….

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

     H.Chakma hian Mizo tawng athiam hrim2 ang, Mizo tawngin be tawh ang u, ka ning… Tuipui ral tawng ka thiam mang bawk silo.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

     @chemtatrawta, u r justifyin Racism “why don’t you take a look like this?…WHY ARE WE CALLED’HNAWKSAK’ BY THESE PEOPLE??. ARE WE HNAWKSAK IN ANYWAY TO THESE PEOPLE??” I wish you wre born during MNF days and you would understand how it feels to be discriminated and denigrated. The white didn’t knew how it feels to be called “Nigar”. Now they do. But you do not. You qualify to be a Racist and a Hate preacher.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

     uuu chemtatrawta has become a hate preacher from a knife sharpener….all the evils of the 50 years of post independence development tsk tsk tsk

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

     #164 @zualbonez, “cause the Constitution of India is always bended to suit the requirements of the haves and powerful mainland communities….” and you wil do the same to suit you and discriminate and denigaret the Chakmas. Is not it…?

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     chhangban Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

     Iam a Racist.. I have faced racism.. I know it hurts.. this is what we know as life..

     And this engulish bashing racism I not understanding many.. you together thinking, engulish speaking like rice plate eating,?? engulish speaking not children play its like undertaker play, Tajmahal creat, again time this language .. so touch my two finger you cheek. Big cheek you cheek.. red red cheek

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

     Moano Ugure Jum Gujjyei hairehai

     What about #162

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

     Well, calling it a day. We shall discuss & debate tomorrow. Meanwhile may you be blessed with abundance of Love & Health! You may hate me but I don’t I hate you, I am hurt but not wounded. I will pray for you…….

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

     @ 168 H Chakma….like i said i do not condone any violence or atrocity against legal or non legal Mizoram chakmas…and why are you charging me about the misuse of the constituiton of India..aren’t you the best user of that??? otherwise how could a safe haven like CADC be created within Mizoram which will be getting direct funding from the central govt….Can you name any other place in entire India or the world where you have found such refuge??? ….

     and can you add a little duichuani to the prayer! just joking

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

     H.Chakma we don’t hate you we just don’t like being overwhelmed by Chakma’s who are born fully grown or who’s decendants are born after such year (?) If your grandparents are born in Mizoram before the year the law says ‘OK’ then you should be alright if not then, well…

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

     H.Chakma…are you sure i was not born during the days of the MNF??…things must not be said so confidently in this type of sensitive issues..

     i’ve said those word because..in Mizo comminity , where we stay in a strange land..everytime we face a situation we encourage and look to ourselves what would be the reason on our part which might have cause the problems..eg- girls dressing has been crticised when there is rape…

     BUt, unluckily..the chakmas never did..

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     kook Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

     Comment 100 na thleng ka read toh continue continue.. Ka rawn chhiar cho zel e.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:04 pm

     @H.Chakma: Mizoram Bru leh chakma hi chu kawng tam takah ka lo support viau thin a, a chhan pawh lusei tam tak hian ethnical issue leh polical issue kan lak pawlh thin vang a ni. Tunah nangni pawh in political issue a nih chuan ethnical taka in lak hi a fuh lovang. A dik, Chakma (bangladesi or outsider) hi hnawksak tamtak an awm, chakma an nih avangin political perspective atang chuan a dik a ni. CM pawh hian chakma thumal a hmang hi a ti bik diklo bawk, chakma ni lovin banglasedhi emaw foreigner emaw a hmang zawk tur a ni.

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

     Buddhist pain min lo tawngtaisak vek dawn nih chu….kan ngaihtuahawm awm hlawm mange…H.V hi a ngaihtuahawm zual ber ang…hahah..khimi comment khi i hnaih ber..

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     Fonz Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

     subconsciously everyone is racist

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

     Ozima #162 khi?

     He boni, Chakma nu hi selo zek asin: Fonz tan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

     Maybe some of the chakmas never tried the 3 sources of learning:

     1) Learning from within

     2) learning from immediate surrounding

     3) Learning from the grater surrounding

     they skipped 1 and 2 and directly went to 3 (big bro central govt)

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

     If only the endless write-ups of the intellectuals do represent the actual mindset of their entire community….

     I tlan darh vek teng u..a saaawt lo e mai..

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

     Majual, nachina delhia pole phun tum kha an cent govt agent ni mai lawng maw..

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

     If you live in Mizoram, live like one. Don’t try to turn our ways around. If you don’t like it, leave it.

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

     @rempuut…miss you..muah2..you very vang…we are very ngaiing you….you must not kalbosan us again..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

     @ 182..trawt…kha pa kha ka hre taltin ka hria …delhi ah a awm..env engineer lampang

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

     Pu HV (Y)(Y).. While in Rome, do as the Romans..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

     His hawliness pawh hi a tawng hi a thlahdah lutuka

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     LverT Chak Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

     He khawvelah hian mihring chi nih chauh an awm- Mi fel leh misual. We must not be ruled or overcome by the Bad people.
     

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

     @181..does the racist remarks made by none other then the state’s Chief Minister do represent the actual mindset of the entire Mizo community…….????

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

     @majual…babutea ani ang tih ahlauhawm…congress la ni tal aa… Capital City ah chuan a awm bik em anih tak kha mawle…

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     Fonz Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

     Pu Hv thank you ..lol Giro d’italia en daih teh ang.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

     Keipawh ‘kitab’ kan chhiar ange… in 2 hrs exam ka nei

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

     189…no they don’t….but the party that he represents has always been your benefector…so don’t bite the hands that feed you

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     kook Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

     I really really admire the Chakma b’cos they are sooooo talkative. Trinity leh hnimphum chungchang inhnial in va ang ve.

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     Sangpuiipa Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

     Hetiang a mi pakhat tawngkam mai mai pawh an huat chuan leh…

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

     an blog chhuanvawr paritosh chakma a blog kan run ve dawn….

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

     @ 193…..and, you think and consider that being a ‘benefector’(without going into its merits) gives him the right to do/say whatever he wishes to and get away with it!!!

     That does not in any way convince me why I should not protest and complain against such acts.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

     @ 197. punongchan…no he does not have the right but you have all the rights to lodge a protest against his comment as your community has played an important part in placing him in his seat …Nonetheless he will get away with it as he has always been doing….cause he is the Hawliness

     Please protest!! we will watch and give you moral support

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

     @189, mui maramari nachang.. Shanti. I just meant to say if u peace-loving educated chakmas can convince or influence your entire community, things wud have been different., same goes for mizos.
     Btw, why dnt u pple just realise that these stupid remarks made by CM are no less than just his way of justifying himself & his politics, in front of the pple whom he failed their trust, the mizos while benefiting you chakmas… Gasp..u dnt seem to catch the helpless game he’s playing…hahihihi..
     Anyway, i dnt wana contribute in agitating my dear chakma misuals here.. Mor bandhu hobe.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

     Hnam sakhua post van ang em em a tawpah keimah ni ho kan ti ti luai luai ……….

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     Aryan Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

     Hrim hrimin Chakma ho hian Tuikuk ho hming hi enge an lo huat ve ringawt a? Tu in nge Tuikuk ho aiawh ah siam a? Engtik laiin nge Tuikuk hian hnam hming bak meaning a neih a? Hetianga DAWT phuahchawp a an rak zawt zawt reng hi chu an kham awm khawp mai. Mizo history , tawi hle mah se; ah hian TUIKUK tih kumkhua an ni, naupangsual trahbelh dawt sawi hmang zualko zet zet ching ang deuh a Mizotawng thumal rawn thlak an tum ringawt te hi kuanglo an nawr lo maw?

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     DXBFreak Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

     No matter who you are and where you come from I personally doesn’t like racist people….

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

     @199…..

     That was a nice one…:-) Mui-o maramari no chang…(we also want peace!)…
     Also, you were right…peace loving educated Chakamas and Mizos have to play a constructive role to bridge this gap that seemed to have arisen from misconceptions rather than facts against each other; and if i may add, bashing and blaming each other in public is a way backward for everyone. It does not give us anything good except may be the few bronie points for ones ego.

     You could be possibly right that the Pu Thanhawla’s remarks could be politically motivated. But who would want to be the subject of such ridicule in public? He needs to save his face for failing the people who voted for him then he better look out for other avenues; trodding a dangerous ground of racism and divisive politics does not augur well for the peace-loving/’mui maramari no-chang” population of the state.

     Toh Bondhu….Punongchan..:-)

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

     At last, the debate goes to the topic….

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     metro Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:24 am

     Bengali….

     Bangladesh lamah Bengali Muslim ho nek chep in Chakma an awm, Tripura ah Bengali vang bawkin Tuikuk leh Tribal ho nek chep in an awm, Assam (Cachar) ah Bengali vangin Tribal ho nek chep in an awm, Darjeeling ah a ram neitu(Gorkha) Bengali ho nek chep in an awm!!! Media lamah pawh Bengali tho……
     Bengali ram ni se Bangladesh sawrkar hian Kaptai Dam a khuah a rinawm loh! Compensation tal pe ve sela, Kan ram hruaitu te hian an zuk sawi sak thei lawmni?

     India Independence lai khan Chakma te hi British sawrkar chuan Mizoram khua leh tui ah a pawm lo.
     1950 hma lam ah khan Mizoramah Chakma hi khualehtui an nihna a lang lo. India President in Schedule Tribe List a chhuahah khan Ramdangmi(Foreigner) an nih avangin an lang lo tur ani reng ani. A awmchhunte pawh sawrkar phalna a Foreigner Tax pe a awm thei chauh an ni.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:29 am

     punongchan….you are paritosh chakma…i can read your signature dude…should i come to your blog for a good debate?

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     Goldmember Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:35 am

     van lo thui tawh ve.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:42 am

     goldie…kan la tizel dawn

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:59 am

     @zualbonez…

     Between, which signature you talking about? I am not Paritosh Chakma…:-) You are making me laugh mate…lolzzz

     But I’m always game for a constructive debate. I think it is important to clarify many of the misconceptions and stereotypical notions we seem to carry about each other. A healthy debate can do wonders on many an occasions on such issues.

     I think Paritosh Chakma will be also happy to be part of such a healthy debate. I think you already know his blog link.

     Here is my blog if that interest you:
     https://zurosurih.blogspot.com/

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:13 am

     Hmuh loh chhungin va lo ngaihnawm ve..lol,

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:14 am

     punongchan ….There’s nothing more enriching than contructive debates splattered with some masala here and there its great to have you here…hope that you take active part in other posts too, not just this one…your perspectives on different issues would be really enriching….i will surely viist you blog..why don’t you invite Paritosh in also,,,

     I do hope that you are a Chakma dude from Mizoram!

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:21 am

     #201 \\

     H.Chakma #149 My laughing is so ticklish… ka nuih i ti za lutuk hairehai

     I know a little about Shanti Bahini (mokoda mui’s) because they have threatened me and my friends. They surrounded us, pointing their Bren, 9mm carbines, SLR’s and Sten guns at us;’twas near Marpara.

     Ami Bangla manu nei

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     puipuia pa Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:35 am

     atil zu heh,Arati nau Pasal ( Parimal Nau ) pawh hria… Mahse Chakma Ho chu Saizawh,Parva etc ah pawh mizo ho khua pawh Chakma ho in LSC nei vek tawh maw le,,Chawngte C te pawh tunhma Mizo ho Serthlum china hmunthin kha nia, tunah chun Kamalanagar ti tawh maw le..CHAKMA ho chu Parva kan Missionary poh hnawtchhuak..( Kei ngei poh synod Chhim Secy Pui Zuian ( previous, Tuna Synod Aizawl Secy) hma la tur in min hrilh thin..)..

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:52 am

     @zualbonez # 211

     In total agreement with you on that!
     And, of course I have been a misual.comer since many years. Just that the language barrier does not allow me to poke my nose at other interesting posts that misual.com often comes up with..:P

     Paritish will definitely be part of such a debate. I shall invite him.

     Like you said, perspective and insight from each other’s point of view is important so as to prevent ourselves from mistaking our perceptions and personal judgments on these issues to be the truth.

     Also, I can assure you of two things:-

     1. I am not Paritosh Chakma (In re, #206)
     2. I am a proud Chakma dude from Mizoram (I come from a place not very far from where our # 212 brother was apparently surrounded and threatened by Shanti Bahini).

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     funny Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:56 am

     In la chakma ho khan mizotawng hmang ve teh u a, in hrethiam ve tho sia, khaw thlang tawnga in comment kher hian ka hre ve thiamlo. Khawthlang tawng ai chuan chakma tawng chhiar nuam ka ti zawk.

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     zoho Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:28 am

     @ HV – On the basis of Assam Accord, all those who migrated prior to 1.1.1966 are deemed to be Indian Citizens and those who came after 25.3.1971 are not to be accorded Indian Citizenship.

     tih hi a ni em i kum sawi chu aw? Chhiar peih tan

     https://www.aitpn.org/StatelessIPs/Rajyasabha.pdf

     Ka comment chhut hah zz a bo vek, comment loh ai ah

     Dear Chakmas and Tuikuks, you have to accept the bitter reality and harsh truth that you are boarding the wrong bus, that you are landing on the wrong island. Even we mizo have also committted the same blunder,we landed on the wrong peninsula too. Racial discrimination is not going to end, never on this earth,never in this life. Its all about wrong people, wrong time, wrong place.

     If you cant beat them, join them – learn from history. Dont expect equality, thats in a paper. Whenever I land on Kolkata and beyond, i will be a chinky, whenever I land on USA, i will be an Asian, we cant change our identity. We have to adjust ourself from inside, dont expect the sun to slow down its speed for the sake of the earth, its the earth who has to get adjusted. I felt sorry that some people, some tribe, some ethnic has the lesser privileges in a particular region and society, and that you happen to be in that group.Alas, this is Mizoram, our homeground.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:41 am

     zoho #216 Ka chhiar tawh tak chu ala ni chuanglo mahse, a kalphung a inzul khawp mai. Ka chhiar ah chuan, “Mizorama Gorkhali ho, heta piang te hi, kum (?) atang awm tawh chin leh an thlahte chu in leh lo leh vote bnei thei (Mizoramah) an ni. An mahni ang tho hian non-Mizo zawng2 dinhmun a inang vek,” tih ang lampang a ni.

     Ka chhiar tawh ngei a, kalo record lo hi apawi ka ti vawng2 ta mai. Hetiang lampang te hi thalai te hian hriat a pawimawh takzet asin. Politics avanga ngaihsamna te hi ka ngaithei derlo mai kei chu. A chhan: Mizo, son of the soil ka nih vang.

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     Rooney Opa Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:56 am

     Helai chu hming thar a va tam ve. Post dang comment chuang si lovin….!

     an lungawi loh chuan b** lamah thawn thla vek mai ula.

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     Krista Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:35 am

     Sangma hoda eka eka ja nonge, iku bek phuriphelei unnn…..

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0a0PsDVDU

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
     

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:47 am

     Re #216: “Racial discrimination is not going to end, never on this earth”. Zoho, You can live in fools paradise and in “stone age” with your outdated and obnoxious thoughts.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:23 am

     #162, H.Vangchhia, I think you are too much a confused lad today: confused between special protection provided to Mizoram versus the Constitution of India and India’s bilateral or multilateral relations with foreign countries and international institutions, rights of citizens of different countries separated by political borders, descendants, blood relations etc. You can be emotional but ignorance is no excuse under Indian law. Let me try to enlighten you. Mizoram enjoys special status under 371 G of Indian Constitution and under Bengal Frontier Regulations. These are for protection of indigenous inhabitants of Mizoram (mind you – not only for Mizos/Lushais) but not to harass and terrorize or discriminate against the Chakma citizens or any other minorities, or these are not powers to abolish the Chakma Autonomous District Council created under 6th Scheduled to the Constitution of India. Do you understand that every citizen is equal before the law and has equal rights under the Constitution of India, which is the supreme law in this sovereign nation called India, that is, Bharat?

     Mizoram was created pursuant to the signing of the Mizoram Peace Accord on 30th June, 1986 between MNF chief Laldenga and GOI. Let me remind you that it says. It explicitly states that – “The rights and privileges of the minorities in Mizoram as envisaged in the constitution, shall continue to be preserved and protected and their social and economic advancement shall be ensured”. Kindly use your university education to understand what this means to a democratically elected government and its agencies/departments. It is in this context, we condemn the racist statement against Chakmas by CM Lalthanhawla.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:24 am

     @219 Krista, Changma lega sigibattei ole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

     We also run workshop in various cities across India and in Seoul(S.Korea),Connecticut/Washington/Tennesse/Wisconsin(USA),Regina/Toronto(Canada),Brisbane/Perth(Australia) and many other countries.I presume you must be highly educated and might be in either any Indidan cities or abroad.

     Let me borrow the quote frm the video comment which is so appropriate; “PLEASE SPREAD THE PRACTICE OF JESUS TEACHING (i.e, Love, Respect and Peace) TO YOUR FELLOW MIZOS IN THIS AREA, THEY URGENTLY NEED IT. ALL THE BEST”. Dangu Lal Thanhawla must enroll himself for Jesus Teachings”

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:26 am

     Krista vei, kei mah poh mizo tawng tlem tlem tlem thiam mhase theinglih tawh

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:28 am

     In case any Mizo friends planning to go to Canada for higher studies. You may want to explore a University lead by a Chakma brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

     You may even stay in a Chakma Youth Hostel….

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:29 am

     Vangchhia…………mui eschong Bona !! Hudu agoch tui? zawngte hahahaha lolzzz

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:31 am

     Vangachhia……!!! Bona nangmah Sapramah emi awn, Zawngte

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:35 am

     Sap-ramah kawnge i awm Vangachhia zawngte bona

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:39 am

     Please do no spread hatred among chakmas & Mizos, tha lo ani ka

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     TuaiSialA Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:39 am

     Hnial peih hi hnehna emaw in tia.

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:41 am

     Ka nu chu Mizo, ka pa chu chakma what I am? ka taksa ah in chungah mizo blood leh chakma blood ka nei

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     alchemist Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am

     #230 Chakma i nih chu.

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     karei Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 11:11 am

     All the Takam/Chakma are welcome to go back to Bangladesh(Rangamati) with thei belongings i.e. Chakma District Council and Direct Fund.

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     karei Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 11:27 am

     Mikhual, mahni thlenin sawiseltu leh timualpho tu chu hnawhchhuah in awm rawh se!

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     chhangban Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 11:46 am

     ..got me all confused cause i dont live in that part of the world..

     @HChakma.. State hran hi nei ve toh ulang a tha ang tiro..?? mizo ho cu an sual ee mai..an racist sii..

     ah.. what’s “Dangu” ??

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 11:54 am

     Dangu=pu

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 11:55 am

     Dangu Chhangban aka Pu Chhangban hehe

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 11:59 am

     Karei Thianpa, Hugi/Mizo are aslo welcome to go back to their ancester land lot, Bangladesh is one of that still lot of Mizo brothers and sister are there..hehehe

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

     @234 Chhangban, “DANGU” means Mr. (with affection). For e.g if I address you affectionately I would call Dangu Chhangban.
     Well, we are debating and discussing the alleged RACIST remark of our head of state CM, Dangu Lal Thanhawla where he said Chakmas as “Hnawksak”.

     @232 Karei, your RACIAL slurr of calling Chakmas as “Takam” defines you and your upbringing. Do i need to say more?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

     #232, I would have liked to accept the offer made by karei to take “Chakma District Council and Direct Fund” along with us and form a part of CHT. But before we can actually do that “Karei” will be killed by his own Mizo brethren (for betrayal, of course)..hehehehe….

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

     @234 Dangu(Pu)Chhangban, I will address your wife as Dangubi(Pi) Chhangabi hehehe

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

     Racist Thanhawla I vote dawn lo ang u hehehehe…Pu.Zoramthanga, Brig, Pu. Sailo I Vote ang U hehehe..

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

     dpu, Mizoramah vote i nei ve ngawt a mi a?

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

     Oh! and so the debate continues…….

     My dear Chakma friends:

     1) yes the Cm passed a racist remark. However we leave it up to the better judgement of his hon’ble self and his party for the next course of action. We have no say in this.

     2) CADC is a part of Mizoram. Let us just say that we are playing the part of lessor and lessee with you being the lessee. We are not asking for rent, just a condition that you won’t cause any trouble or won’t bring in your brothers from bangaldesh into your rented place…..Is this too much to ask for?????

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

     Aw, Dangu(Pu) Sangte, mhase mawh ala vote lo a….hehehe

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

     Zualnonez, Engtih ang eh address ang aw….. Dangu(Pu) Zualbonez or Dangubi(Pi) Zualbonez, Mizoram pawh rented place ni lo em i? hehehe

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     Asteric Visc. Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

     Eheu! Hei chuh! ka kawment peih loh loh nen in lova ziak hnem veee

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

     Chakma po Mizo awlawm, hmase Lushai ni lo…Takam po ni lo only Chakma or changhma.. hahahahaha

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

     #243 @zualbonez, I would like to make a humble request to you. When you mention “CADC is a part of Mizoram” kindly also remind yourself that “Mizoram is also a part of India”. You are breaking all norms of Indian polity (and values Mizo civilization as well like “Tlawmngaihna”) when you compare you (Mizoram/Mizos) as landlord and Chakmas of CADC as tenents. This attitude will one day damn you to the point where there will be little chance of recovery. When the world talks of globalization, free trade, democracy, and values of human civilization pity yourself with the outdated mindset. Yet, when you will come out of your “cave” (mental construct) and fall a victim in cities outside Mizoram, you will cry hoarse: freedom, equality, fraternity, democracy, justice!!!!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

     @243 Dangu Zualnobez,
     1) Thanks for finally accepting the truth that Dangu ThanHalwa indeed made that “RACIST” remark. Now all of us (Chakmas & Mizos) should condem his action which brought shame for the state and for the Mizo community.

     2)Well, let me try to rephrase it in neutral context; say “Mizoram is part of India. Let us assume that Mainland Indians are playing the part of lessor and lesse with you being the lesse. India is not asking for rent, just a condition that you wouldn’t burn house,abuse,discriminate or cause any trouble or won’t bring in your brothers & sisters from Bangladesh & Burma in your rented place called Mizoram…..Is this too much to ask for?????
     Plz lemme know your answer before I cud give mine…. Patturu-turu (Thanks)!

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

     Patturu-turu=Ka lawm e.. hehehe, Changhma tawng thiam lutuk hehehe

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

     @ dpu…Mizoram chu rented place anilo… it has always been our land and we have always been living here (independent) until the British incursion. Later on we were handed over to India…This is Mizoram first

     chuan Chakma Mizo in nilo

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

     @Dangu Zualbonez, Comment #248 & #249 needs your attention, Plz

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     Asteric Visc. Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

     #251

     Kan va chhangchhe tawh ve aww…lolzzz

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

     This attitude will one day damn you to the point where there will be little chance of recovery. When the world talks of globalization, free trade, democracy, and values of human civilization pity yourself with the outdated mindset. Yet, when you will come out of your “cave” (mental construct) and fall a victim in cities outside Mizoram, you will cry hoarse: freedom, equality, fraternity, democracy, justice!!!!

     - My dear P. Chakma, globalization, free trace, democracy, values etc are always subjective terms used to suit certain sections. So far as the Mizo community is concerned ‘thank you’ we are doing very well and have made rapid advancement in all spheres, of course with improvements needed here and there. Embracing these global waves does not mean surrendering our basic community ethos, beliefs and culture..You must have also seen the negative externalities of blindly embracing these fancy terms, of various communities and cultures suffering in the long term with no opportunities for going back. For your information i don’t live in Mizoram and am very exposed beyond my Cave. No sir, we will take these changes on our own terms…

     Let me reiterate again that Mizoram was very much there way before the Indian Union came into being. Unlike other parts of India we have never been ruled, defeated or subjugated by any Indian imperialist, religion or culture. So mainland India cannot lay claim on us in terms of culture, religion or history et…The only claim would be politics and geography….And are these the only conditions for making a community a part of a country….

     Patturu-turu (Thanks)

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

     @Dangu Zualbonez, the rules and principles are universal unless for people like Hitler or Racist like Dangu Hawla.

     You seem fairly educated and well travelled but still carries the burden of Cave mindset(which you utilise as per your suitability). As @Dangu Paritosh pointed, many people like you cry hoarse for equality, democracy & justice as soon as you step out of Mizoram. Plz Stop that, else you are breaking your own community rule of humanity.

     I humbly request the panelists not to take Chakmas PEACE gesture as weakness. I would like to enlighten you a little bit about Chakmaland (which is now part of Mizoram after 1900 and after partition in 1947). Plz read the following books for your knowledge for the facts that Chakmas are sons of the soil(which is now called Mizoram) for many many centuries.

     Provincial Gazetteer of India Volume V at page 413 states:
     “The station of Demagiri is not situated within the present area of South Lushai Hills. It is topographically within the area of Chittagong Hill Tracts. But under Sir Charles Elliot’s order passed in 1892, it was declared that for administration purposes Demagiri should be considered a part and parcel of South Lushai Hills.”
     The boundaries of CHT were revised and a strip on the east including Demagiri was transferred to Lushai Hills in 1900. Lushai Hills later became Mizoram.

     Want more info: “Encyclopedia of North East India” Page 1812 States:
     “Early history of their (Chakmas’) settlement on the bank of River Karnafulee, and around the confluence of Karnafulee, Tuichang and Thega can be traced to the year 1763 when the East India Company by a Proclamation demarcated the Chakma territory as spreading over “all the hills from Pheni River to the Sangoo and from Nizampur Road in Chittagong to the Hills of Kooki Raja(Lushei Chief)”

     Plz learn real facts from real Historical Records & Books. Stop building wrong notion from hearsay frm Racist people. Stop referring the Chakmas as outsiders. Patturu-turu!

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

     #251, zualbonez: As fare as the “cave” analogy was concerned, it was your mental construct (wherever you live). Now having taught you Indian polity, let me teach you some history also. Yes, Mizoram, Nagaland, Tripura etc …all these were independent kingdoms/territories. As a matter of fact, most territories in India were used to be ruled by independent kings/queens (having their own territorial boundaries) until the Mughals invaded and conquered them – one by one. Later, the British conquered these independent kingdoms (like the Mizo nation). Similarly, let me tell you, Chakmas used to rule a particular territory called CHT (in present day Bangladesh) which also included a part of present day Mizoram (in the western belt including Demagiri). At that time, Mizo hills used to be a part of Assam. The Chakmas fought the Mughals, we fought the British.

     In 1550 a map drawn by a Portuguese cartographer named Joa De Barros showed a people called “Chakomas” and their kingdom as the Feni river to the North, the Namre or Naf river to the south, the Lushai hills to the east and the sea to the west. In 1763 Mr. Henry Verlest, the representative of the East India Company at Chittagong, issued a proclamation recognizing the jurisdiction of the Chakma Raja over “All the hills from the Pheni River to the Sangu, and from Nizampur Road (Dhaka-Chittagong Road) to the hills of the Kuki Raja (now in Mizoram, India)”.

     The Chakma kings engaged the Mughals from 1712. The Chakma kings and queens fought the British from 1777 – 1787 when the British had imposed an economic blockade and forced the Chakma to a negotiated settlement. In 1900 the British government enacted the CHT Regulation and declared it as an “Excluded Area” in order to protect the rights of the indigenous peoples. In the CHT Regulation of 1900 it was clearly stated that: “No person other than a Chakma, Mogh or a member of any tribe indigenous of CHT, the Lushai Hills, the Arakan Hill Tracts or the State of Tripura shall enter or reside within CHT unless he is in possession of a permit granted by the Deputy Commissioner at his discretion.”

     In 1892 Sir Charles Elliot passed order declaring that for administration purposes Demagiri and neighbouring areas should be considered a part and parcel of South Lushai Hills. On 1st April 1898, Demagiri and other villages from CHT together with the South Lushai Hills were brought under the administration of the Chief Commissioner of Assam. As a result, the Chakma Raja “had to forego some of his land and subjects, who had been inhabiting beyond the river Thega Khal”.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

     #254 @zualbonez, you have said “Unlike other parts of India we have never been ruled, defeated or subjugated by any Indian imperialist, religion or culture. So mainland India cannot lay claim on us in terms of culture, religion or history et…The only claim would be politics and geography….And are these the only conditions for making a community a part of a country….”

     My dear friend, let me tell you one thing: When the Indian contingent at the Opening Ceremony of Common Wealth Games was led by a lady clad in Mizo traditional attire, every Indian was proud of the beauty of the dress. This included the Chakmas of Mizoram. Then, do you have a point when you say that “mainland India cannot lay claim on us in terms of culture, religion or history”. No body can the right to impose a culture, language or religion on any other communities. India does not have a particular culture, or religion. India is secular, democratic and republic. It is perhaps the most diverse of all countries in this world. Thousands of cultures and colours make India a nation.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

     My dear H. Chakma,,,, You may call him a racist, but he and his party have always been your benefactor. If it were not for him many of the things that you enjoy in CADC would have never come into existence. In fact in some quarters he is called a traitor…Now instead of requesting our unified voice in labeling him a racist an easier and better way would be just calling him a ‘Politician’ , a politician with a coat of many colours ….trust me bro, he has hurt your sentiments but you have your own as one of his Ministers. Why don’t you just approach that channel and his party system for the apology that you seek. Maybe this is a wrong platform….let me remind you again that we do feel that the comment may have been racist. Period..

     Secondly, yes, no one is objecting to the fact that Chakmas have been living in CADC along with the Mizos for a very long time, but this does not mean that the land belonged to them. The land was always the possession of some Mizo Chiefs. This is true even for some part of CHT which belonged to Mizo chiefs. Unfortunately the British took these possessions away from us. it is also unfortunate that we are not as prolific in our breeding as mainland Indians so as to populate our land effectively, this has made the settlement easier for other non-mizo communities.

     Thirdly, we will never blindly embrace global or indian changes with open arms. We will first filter them through our own sieve with proper cultural benchmarks and criteria. Otherwise we will face the same fate as that of indigenous communities in Sikkim, Aunachal, Assam, Manipur, mehalaya, Tripura and the entire naxalite belt etc….Personally i find it more acceptable to ape the culture of primary leaders like the US and far eastern countires rather than becoming poor second rate mongoloid copies of mainland Indian culture and standards… When i see an Arunachali speaking broken Hindi, following Bollywood,and looking up to Delhi, not knowing the smirks and guffaws from the other end, i feel SAD…

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

     Look, if we go back centuries to lay claim above present arrangement then there shall be no End and No Peace (E.g. Manipur).
     Just because Demagiri is being changed to Tlabung or Nunusury is referred as Silui, Mizos do not become landlord neither Chakmas become outsiders. Please continue the bond of Peace and let Chakmas practice the teachings of Budha and let Mizos practice the teachings of Jesus, which is LOVE, RESPECT & PEACE. Long Live Mizoram!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

     # 257…P Chakma

     “My dear friend, let me tell you one thing: When the Indian contingent at the Opening Ceremony of Common Wealth Games was led by a lady clad in Mizo traditional attire, every Indian was proud of the beauty of the dress…”

     Do you not know my dear friend that the media referred to the dress as a Naga dress then and no one was the wiser for it. We were hurt. You should be ashamed that having being brought up in Mizoram you do not know this fact.

     About a month ago a Mizo student was killed by Sudanese student in Lovely porfessional University in Jalandhar. When ToI carried the story the headline read ‘Mnaipuri student killed’, while the main content repeated Mizo, Mizoram , Mizo pover and over again….Is this professionalism on the par of the reporter or his sub editor or main editor or is this just ignorance or apathy. Some of our friends wrote to the paper, all in vain…No apology all apathy…No one cares…..This is how maninland India and Delhi looks at us….We are fine with that, our only learning is that we will never embrace openly what the mainland bombards at us, becos only we know what is the best for us

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

     #260, zualbonez , just

     “You should be ashamed that having being brought up in Mizoram you do not know this fact.” Which fact are you referring to? Why do you think that I do not know. I condemn your phrase “You should be ashamed” …

     Of course, it is blatant mistake on the part of TOI for not knowing the facts. Do you also know that TOI apologized for the mistakes in both cases (Mizo dress and Mizo student) and corrected the mistake? Kindly just brush up your GK before you accuse me.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

     @Dangu Zualbonez, I wish I could stop and all of us (Mizos and Chakmas, atleast ppl like u & me) come to Peaceful acceptance.
     However, to be fair on the debate in hand when you quote “yes, no one is objecting to the fact that Chakmas have been living in CADC along with the Mizos for a very long time, but this does not mean that the land belonged to them. The land was always the possession of some Mizo Chiefs. This is true even for some part of CHT which belonged to Mizo chiefs.” Plz show some historical evidence in writing to back up your statement. We have presented ours. Many Chakmas came to Lunglei for Jhum cultivation even before 1872, does that give them rights to claim over Lunglei? No, similarly, no one can claim over land where Chakmas are living at present. These are Chakma land (now under Mizoram) both inside & outside CADC. We are as much proud citizen of Mizoram as you are. But plz don’t expect us to bear all those denigartion, hrassment, abuses, foreigner tag by leveling false accusation & facts.

     Yes, we know Dangu Thanhawla is playing politics but why should we be recieving end of his ill design. And why should you & me (Chakmas & Mizos) be devided just because he gains by instigating Mizo youth with false notion?

     Well, tears have gone dry from the eyes of thousands of Chakma Youth who @Dangu Lalthanhawla hurt. Those tear drops will not go in vein. They will definitely culminate into Action and trust me Chakma Politicians will be the first recipient. Election is not that far…..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

     P chakma….can you please share a link to one of their apologies..or is it just one of those blink and miss it type…We all saw the mistake but how many of us saw the apology, and was the apology made to the Mizo community or was it just a ‘oh a small correction’

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     DXBFreak Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

     @263, Zualbonez ka lo tang teh mai ania, google a ngaih chuan min lo hrilh rawh ka lo zawng char char ang, ka lo pui ang che he he…

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     DXBFreak Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

     Zualbonez

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

     DXBfreak …lo tel ve rawh …kan Chkama thiante ho hi mi intllectual ania a contructive khawp mai…

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

     U-Zualbonez kawi tangin nge i ni Bangla-ram nge Mizoram. Kei chu mizoram lol

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     whitelotus Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

     Everybody in the discussion is going out of track, let us say what reforms can be taken to safeguard the interest of everyone. For the Chakma community, we can have a petition for the economic and health assessments, done by the central government. i hope everyone agrees for it from the our fellow Mizo brothers. Cause the direct funding has been approved and all the ADC’s are not under the state govt anymore. By the next fiscal year there will be a lot of improvement in the civic culture. I swear the day the road to sittwe port is completed.South Mizoram will be the booming business center, Till then stay close for updates. Since its a deadlock place, Lai, Mara, or Chakma’s can’t be financially strong, which actually matters. I have seen many politicians take out certain topics to win elections. As a matter of fact what can be a hotter topic then this. In 1998 election(if i m nt wrong, the then Govt won the election bcoz the CM, supposedly said it will try an attempt to abolished CADC). Then their vote banks SKY ROCKED, So you see guys we are common people. Everyone, in this platform has said lot of things i never have heard about, thanks to you GOOD people its been a great deal knowing.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

     #263, The I&R department, Govt of Mizoram states, “The Online News of Times of India regretted the inadvertent mistake and promised to the needful”. Kindly see under “SUDAN’S AMBASSADOR’S CONDOLENCE MISQUOTED BY TIMES OF INDIA ONLINE NEWS; I & PR MINISTER ASKS FOR CO”,
     https://dipr.mizoram.gov.in/ind.....Itemid=134

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

     Provincial Gazetteer of India Volume V at page 413 states:
     “The station of Demagiri is not situated within the present area of South Lushai Hills. It is topographically within the area of Chittagong Hill Tracts. But under Sir Charles Elliot’s order passed in 1892, it was declared that for administration purposes Demagiri should be considered a part and parcel of South Lushai Hills.”
     The boundaries of CHT were revised and a strip on the east including Demagiri was transferred to Lushai Hills in 1900. Lushai Hills later became Mizoram.

     —This is exactly what i have been saying. The British took our land and divided it for their administrative convenience. Some part of our land was kept under bengal, some under assam as Lshai hills , some under Burma etc…In our history we do not recall having any chief called ropuiliana, dokulha, lalsavunga etc..as being chief of south lushai hills…these are just administrative parlance given to our land by the British after they divided it.

     Want more info: “Encyclopedia of North East India” Page 1812 States:
     “Early history of their (Chakmas’) settlement on the bank of River Karnafulee, and around the confluence of Karnafulee, Tuichang and Thega can be traced to the year 1763 when the East India Company by a Proclamation demarcated the Chakma territory as spreading over “all the hills from Pheni River to the Sangoo and from Nizampur Road in Chittagong to the Hills of Kooki Raja(Lushei Chief)”
     —-The territory you have pointed out are all outside the boundaries of present day Mizoram and within CHT…IF you read again it says …”…to the Hills of Kooki Raja (Lushei Chief)”…This just clarifies the fact that the territory of the Lushai Raja enclosed presetn day CADC also. further present day CADC and other territories outside Mizoram and now in present CTC were under different Lusei, Pawi and Lakher (Shendoo) chiefs

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

     Chakma leh Tuikuk ho chu an va bengchheng rei ta ve. Nge Chakmas leh Tuikuks ho tihtur zawk?

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

     # 269..thank you P chakma…now what about the CWG mishap

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

     Dangu Sangte….hetah bengchheng Chu aw. Chaw an ei tawh em, ka ril tam lutuk.

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

     O brethens, why yell at the man who provides you safe haven, why o why..?

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     whitelotus Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

     Mr.Sangte, “bengchheng” thi hi chu a va tul kher lo ve? i ngaihdan te ron soi tha la.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

     # 267 dpu…lolzzz…Aizawl, Mizoram

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

     #272 @zualbonez: You are asking me to do a lot of things.Hehehe… Anyway, kindly follow this link:
     “Times of India apologises for dress mix-up”: https://thenortheasttoday.in/in.....;year=2010

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

     @Dangu Zualbonez, plz bear w me for being repeative. I am afarid you are again mis-reading it. Kindly go through it again. It says before the british devided it was “Chakmas Land” under CHT (which means Demagiri area Chakmas too wre under CHT beacuse of which many Mizos presume Chakmas as Foreigners) but British devided it and made it part of South Lushai Hills(which u claim) in 1900 for administrative purposes.

     Now, I found the problem. My friend plz educate yourself with Proper History & demography. Here again you r becoming victim of your ignorance like many oother Mizos. “confluence of Karnafulee, Tuichang and Thega can be traced to the year 1763 ” Karanafulee river devides India-Bangladesh downstream, however in the upstream it joins Thega which goes upto Burma-Bangladesh border(all Chakma populated area), Demagiri-Nunsury-Diblibagh all are in the bank of Karnafulee river (though indigenous Demagiri Chakmas are now replaced by majority Mizos mostly migrated frm Bangladesh), If u go further upstream Karnafulee river is joined by Tuichang river goes upto Burma-Bangladesh border (it also devides CADC & LADC, that’s why we Chakmas as 2nd population in LADC. An elected MCD is there as well. In between Thega river & Tuchang river is CADC), Further upstream of Demagiri, Karnafulee river is joined by Sajek which goes upto Tripura border. These are the places where Chakmas were living many centuries ago and even now. So, you claim of chieftain is unfounded and it is just hearsay.

     To cite an e.g. On top of Borapansury village there was a family of Bonjoi Mizo with his 3 wifes and he declared himself as chieftain of that hillock. On both side of hillock in the plain land were the Chakmas. Like wise many Chakmas crossed Lunglei to cultivate Jum and lived there for many many years, raised families there even before 18 centuries. Does that give them the rights to claim Lunglei. Let’s be logical and discuss facts, not hearsay. And the fact is CADC, Demagiri area upto Hagu, and Marpara area upto Tripura were Chakma land and is Chakma land and now under Mizoram State.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

     # 277 pchakma…thank you…But wouldn’t it have been much easier if they had done due diligence before committing blunders time and again…or is it that possessionalsm especially in matters related to Mizoram or entire NE is relegated to secondary add ons….Actually this is the state of the Union not just ToI

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:55 pm

     # 277 pchakma…thank you…But wouldn’t it have been much easier if they had done due diligence before committing blunders time and again…or is it that possessionalsm and outlook especially in matters related to Mizoram or entire NE is relegated to secondary add ons….Actually this is the state of the Union not just ToI

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

     Pa pakhat pawh kha a thianpa hian Zu a lo khilai a, a in inrui te te a, a khilai tupa te a cho vel..

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 2:59 pm

     @Dangubi Rempy, abaaj suni sabaaj noh marichi! Mui hobor phaang tui Bangaladejottun. Bangaldejot thakke Changma gunottun doiye meiye hei hai aroh idu pajollide? O-kritoggo! First empower yourself on the subject of debate then put across your opinion. Talking non-sense does not suit you neither it augurs well w the constructive debate in hand. We expect better and constructive comments or opinion from you.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

     @ whitelotus # 275

     Respect!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

     # 282

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     Sandman Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:03 pm

     Its good to know that even when we are closing to 300 comments, most of the comments have been kept civil. This shows the maturity of those who are participating in this discussion.

     Totally off-topic to this incident and discussion, I just want to know why Takam is considered a racial slur? I have never used this word and have no intention of using it in the future, but I’m just curious to know why Chakmas don’t like to be called Takam and what is the meaning of this word? Educate me please.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

     #279 @zualbonez: I can debate on this issue (discrimination and neglect of NE by mainland India) for the whole day. But it would not be wise to jump from one issue to another. Everything we say, the final verdict is: no one feels good when discriminated against- be it Chakma, Mizo, Naga or Garo, or Mara.. This is the rule of the heart, because we are all human beings.Every human being will want to be treated well under any circumstances.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

     @Dangu Sandman, Welcome to the forum! I trust you have been following the debate very closely.

     Well, Negro/Nigar is to Blacks, Chinki/Kancha/Bahadur is to North Eastern. similarly TAKAM is to Chakmas. These are denigrating Racial slur without any literal meaning.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

     #285 Hello Sandman, it is good that I see you here. Well, with regard to your question as what “Takam” means, it is a terminology uttered by Mizos in Mizoram to refer to Chakmas (sometimes, not always). Majority would not call this name to a Chakma as Chakmas take offence. Many fights were fought in rustic village roads over this terminology. (As a Mizo, you should know what it actually means as it is a Mizo term). We Chakmas do not know its proper meaning. Someone once explained its meaning to me as “bald headed”. He said, Mizos call Chakmas ‘takam’ because they see Buddhist monks who are bald. (this is debatable, though)

     However, it is a racist term. It should be bracketed along with terms like “chinkies” referring to us NE people in metros like Delhi, “neger” or “negro” referred to the blacks. It is the intent with which these names are called. When a Mizo call me “hey takam” it means he has no respect for me or wants to bully me.

     Else, technical meanings of takam, chinkies, neger can be debated.

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

     MP Takam Sanjay, APSU president Takam Tatung they Takam from Arunachal Pradesh not the Chakmas.

     The word Takam have got by the mizo from nowhere, they used the word for the Chakma, I absolutely have no clue what does it mean. But it sound offended to the chakmas as so similarly the Chakma people call the Mizo as Hugi……. Hugi Hugi Hugi…Sandmand Thianpa cheers( tuteng)!!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

     @ pchakma…..leaving the historical ‘whose land is it anyway’ aside for a bit..

     I do agree with you that no one should be discriminated on grounds of sex, race, community, educational and economy standards etc…I have personally seen the conditions of the people in CADC (i have done quite a lot of travel around tlabung and chawngte areas myself) ..actually outside the major towns of Mizoram altogether…deplorable is the word..i even hear the same sentiments echoed by my mother. her late father had many chakma friends adn workers who they used to have as guests in their homes in Lunglei, Tlabung and Aizawl..About the direct funds from the center, leaving apart other debates it would be very wonderful if your people and the CADC put it to good use for the health and other social benefits of the Chakma community…I hope that CADC would not be subjected to blatant corruption and misue of funds…

     Now getting back to the issue of land let me dig out more info

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

     Its like Why would someone call a Mizo anything else but not Mizo if he/she doesn’t practice Racism. The Whites never knew how it hurts when Africans were referred as Nigars/Negros, because that’s how most whites grew up. I wonder how many Mizos may ever understand how it feels to be addressed as “Hnawksak” and reffered as outsiders in our own beloved homeland called Mizoram! That too by our own Head of the State whom we used to look up to…? Any perspective plz….

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

     Zualbonez Thianpa nge thianpi ka hre mek lo hahaha….CADC leaders chu corrupt kop mai, an sual lutuk. We want get rid of them..hahahah, CADC leader chu zak amwlo, public money ei thin..let us wait and see how they use it. We’re hoping for the best.

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm

     No. 1 misaul chu Mr. Zawgte Nirupam Chakma, No. 2 misual chu Uipa Nihar Kanti chakma

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     Fonz Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

     H chakma leh P chakma hi company din teh u…H&P chakmas ltd ti teh u, company hming atan a nalh.

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

     294. Thianpa Fona, kawi veng nge ah awm? nangmah dik sawi…H&P Chakmas pvt ltd company awn tur, i thawk duh em H&P chakmas company ltd ah?

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     sillyBoy Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

     MNF ho an underground lai kha chuan Chakma, Tuikuk tih vel te chu an reh thap a sin.

     MNF ho in an silai kah nat zawng test nan Chakma ho an din tlar tir a, eng zat nge a kah tlang theih tih an en chhin thin niin an sawi a. Tunah erawh a dang ta a nih hmel.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

     #290 @zualbonez, I thank you and appreciate your understanding. It is not a fact that Mizos hate Chakmas as such or vice versa. As you said, your maternal grandparents received many chakma guests. I too used to stay in a Mizo VCP house during transit while going to boarding school in Shillong. Many Mizos come to my village and we extend our best hospitality. We give the best clean clothes to sleep, and best available menu to eat. One day, a Mizo body guard of a police official shot dead our pet dog and my father was so angry but the police officer apologized. So, there is nothing wrong in extending an apology when one is wrong. We always had good relations. But certain section with selfish motives want to create problems. In CHT, Mizos are well protected by Chakmas, there is no problem between them whatsoever as communities.

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

     #232, pchakma or whoever chakma, grow up. Realise ur debate here does nothing better than making fun of yourself.. Had i really wanted to express my true feelings, this won’t be the place. But, sadly u’re chakmas..so stick to this low-grade debates with low-grade opponents, continue to be peace-loving while ur fellow pple aren’t.. Hahaha…suits you so much…again, with all the love i have for you homeless pple, play a role of sympathy rather than arguing back, cos dat does a lot more miracles..and trust me, the weakness of mizos is their sympathy..haha…like their sympathy over their so-called-brethens-yet-destructive-vandalish burma mizos…woosh…i’m goin out of the line, while tho in fact i’m mentioning the true fact. Just don’t mistaken me to be on mizos side on this funny purposeless debate cos u might wanna learn that i’ve been doin the same criticism before a nickmame so much as appear on this site carrying the name chakma..lols..anyway, like i said b4, i’m nt interested dat much..so so sorry if u xpected better comments frm me..no, seriously, im nt interested.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

     pchakma & H.Chakma: It seems that you dont speak or write duhlian, so you make me confuse that whether you are from mizoram or outsider coz most of educated chakma people from mizoram speak atleast a little (i dont read all the comments). If you are from outside/bangladesh you are very HNAWKSAK. Yeah, its not appropriate to use hnawksak for the whole community, but for bangladeshi…

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

     @ zualbonez….

     Mate, I liked what you said at # 290, though you tend to flare up things a bit now and then…hehehe. But that is also okay. We will take that as your ‘masala’ part here and there(re, #211)

     My grandparents also used to tell me similar stories of Mizo hospitality in the good old days. And, of course my grandparents were born in the Lushai Hills and that was many years before India even gained Independence.:-)

     My grandpa used to tell me how he used to trek all the way to the small Aizawl/Lunglei towns that took him many days all together. Aizawl used to be week long trek for him to go and fetch his meagre salary as a primary school teacher. And, he used to tell me of good Mizo hosts who used to ‘boil water’ for him to take a nice warm bath upon his arrival. ‘Boiling water’ for a guest to take bath is a significant mark of respect in chakma social norms and traditions.

     Who knows? May be my granpa was one of your grandpa’s guest in those times..:-)

     But then times have changed. Now even the Chief Minister is after our lives…:-)

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

     pchakma…Having settled our concern about the racial part of the argument i think we should go back to the contentious land ownership part…Unfortunately i have to go back to work now..let me get back in the evening or as soon as possible….

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

     #298 correction.
     #232=#282

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

     What do you mean by ” Takam chem bo din” ? I’ve heard alot about these word from an elderly citizen…

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

     @Dangu Ozima, I don’t have any doubt what so ever that you are an Indian. Can you read and write Hindi (our National Language)? Plz treat others the way you like to be traeted.
     And kindly, go through the debate and points put forward and then comment. That way you will do a good service to your own community. Else you wud end up probing that u r just another arrogant,cave minded descendent of head hunters. May good senses prevail in your head….! Have a MENTOS (dhimak ki batti jalane ke lye) and come back…….!

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm

     by the way, do notice that it is not my intention to hurt somebody’s feelings..

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

     @Dangubi Rempy, Plz take out the ScisSoR from your name and get a hair cut for a change. Trust me u will look better. Tore dol deboh! all for you….!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:01 pm

     @Thahminga, you need to consult CM Dangu Than Hawla. He is pretty good at those kind of “Racial” things and has shown tremendous expertise….!

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     XaiA Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm

     Awze tawng a va tam ta ve

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     Asteric Visc. Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

     “WHAT HAPPEN?”

     lo ti ve ringawt anilawmni..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

     Kindly note that a person’s true character is known by the way he/she behaves towards individuals or communities at the lower strata (conventional educational/societal/economic pyramid) and not by his/her behavior with ones higher up….

     No one needs any sympathy except sympathy…

     There’s a word in Sanskrit called ‘Samvedana’…Literal translation is ‘taking the suffering/pain of others and making them your own’..Only then would a person be in a position to understand the exact circumstance and be in a good position to help the person he/she intends to help…..

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

     H.chakma..huhuhu….don’t be so typical…u’re words are so desperate….desperate like in desperate after losing in a debate…lolzzz…wahahaha..never imagined chakmas could be soo funny….nah..i’m wrong…all chakmas aren’t like u, im sure of that..but i’m amazed why they send out such a low-callibred dumb debator here to represent them?! Hahaha..what a jolly afternoon…….i hope i dnt burst out laughing frm nw everytime a see a chakma..hahaha

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     lushai_er Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

     Vawiin chu Bonez-a te in hnial ka lo ral thlir a….Ka tel ve a rem lohna a awm bakah, material ka lo nei remchang mai bawk lo nen….. Mahse, Fonz a pa ziah hi article tha deuh ka la dahtha in ka hria remchangah ka la rawn post ve ang.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

     @310 Dangu Zualbonez, so very true! I may feel hurt & angry and stand up to the CM but I bow down to your wisdom, my friend! I encourage Samvedna be practiced by Mizos, Chakmas and every community & individuals. Long Live Mizoram and its people!

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

     @H.Chakma, why don’t you just tell me now? after all I’m seeking the answer from you alone… he he !!! I belive you must have known many times this beautiful quote before…

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

     dpu #225 sudulerha H.Chakma hi saptawng athiam tiraw hairehai hahaha

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

     zoho Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:28 am
     @ HV – On the basis of Assam Accord, all those who migrated prior to 1.1.1966 are deemed to be Indian Citizens and those who came after 25.3.1971 are not to be accorded Indian Citizenship.

     tih hi a ni em i kum sawi chu aw? Chhiar peih tan

     https://www.aitpn.org/StatelessIPs/Rajyasabha.pdf

     Ka comment chhut hah zz a bo vek, comment loh ai ah

     Dear Chakmas and Tuikuks, you have to accept the bitter reality and harsh truth that you are boarding the wrong bus, that you are landing on the wrong island. Even we mizo have also committted the same blunder,we landed on the wrong peninsula too. Racial discrimination is not going to end, never on this earth,never in this life. Its all about wrong people, wrong time, wrong place.

     If you cant beat them, join them – learn from history. Dont expect equality, thats in a paper. Whenever I land on Kolkata and beyond, i will be a chinky, whenever I land on USA, i will be an Asian, we cant change our identity. We have to adjust ourself from inside, dont expect the sun to slow down its speed for the sake of the earth, its the earth who has to get adjusted. I felt sorry that some people, some tribe, some ethnic has the lesser privileges in a particular region and society, and that you happen to be in that group.Alas, this is Mizoram, our homeground.

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

     First time i’ve ever witnessed a debate where the opponents both pros n cons are out of words….haha..dats why i interfered..to continue da flame..hoho..all turn on me..lets continue.. !

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

     First time i’ve ever witnessed a debate where the opponent sides are both so out of words….haha..dats why i interfered..to continue da flame..hoho..all turn on me..lets continue.. !

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

     @ReMpY_ScisSoR, 311… ha ha ha :ka boooooommmmmm: hot hot hot …

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     Krista Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

     Ekhai a, kan sawi thui ta hle mai. Zuala, Rempuii, Ozima leh K’u Trawta te thahnem in ngai a lawmawm hle mai. Tuemaw ngawi hmasa zawk chu kan awm a ngaih ta hmel hle mai….. Engtia han tih zel tur nge pawh ka hre lo e a, nuam lo deuh reuh….

     Obo ar olor guri thago, solbaza bazi hitsu lap nei… gome guri tei oh bhai…..

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

     ReMpY_ScisSoR, Nope! you dnt need to have a hair cut, You are so beautiful. Min hmangaih ve duh em?

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

     Need to attend some work followed by conference calls…will join the discussion later.
     @DAngubi Rempy, Mui tore hochpaang!

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 18th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

     If you live in Mizoram, live like one. Don’t try to turn our ways around. If you don’t like it, leave it.

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

     320. Krista, So sweet of you….hahaha

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

     o bona Vangchhia, hudu eleh tui? henjaan agoch? Mogodamo !!

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

     H.Chakma@304: Sorry, i dont discuss mizoram political issue with outsider, even some of Zohnahthlak out there in chinhills, manipur,tripura. So can you tell me that you are from mizoram? if so we are on the same side, you can see here.

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     TuaiSialA Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

     Bari bara baru crada kha ka la phna tha.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

     #298 @ReMpY_ScisSoR: Don’t poke your nose here if you don’t know how to engage in a civilized debate. Your English is so bad that I could hardly understand a few things here and there.

     #299, @Ozima: guy, pl wake up from deep slumber and see the multi lingual world. Majority Chakmas in Mizoram still do not know how to speak or write Mizo. If you wish to know the reasons, I will be happy to provide but before that you need to shrug off your hypocritical head first.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

     dpu,US…tumi aamar sange naachbe… lol mokoda mui

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

     @TuaiSialA, tui kichhu jani na… ei khuni kotha bawlbe na… tui jani? ha ha ha.. Just joking.. sawi ve miah miah mai tur ..

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

     @Kris: ka buai a talang comment ka lo en ve pek lova, hman deuh khan ka post tawh a, communal issue leh political issue kan lak pawlh fo thin hi ka vei em a tin a ni e, chakma chungchang ang chiah hi zohnahthlak burma vela awm te laka ka ngaihdan nghet tlat a ni, kan unaute pawh ni mahse politic-ah chuan ramdang mi an ni tho tho.

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     Fonz Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

     lushai-er i fb em?

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

     pchakma@328: I ask you the same ——>#326

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

     @pchakma, sorry i’m nt that fluent in chakma-english, cos i learned english in malaysia n south india..haha.
     Whatever, lets cut back to the topic, CM was wrong in making such a comment, which by doing so, he shamed the entire mizo pple he represented, however, this topic brought to light the sentiment, the mentality of the chakma pple. You bastards-educated chakmas are in fact solely responsible for ill-motivating the mass of your illiterate stone-aged chakma community..who are in fact too ignorant to knw even what a goverment means..or for that matter country, citizens, whatever..as long as u tend to carry on ur low qlty debate, i’m here to counter you..or anyone in that aspect.

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     TuaiSialA Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

     @pchakma: Sekel baratha mapum dalhapui thekha nepui snheha.

     @thahminga: Dahke semthe tharapka sanatha. Ei phabha sen tharaka Chakma.

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     Fonz Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

     eheu rempy chu

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

     Tik tok tik tok..am waiting…..

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

     See, there are hardly 4 or 5 chakma users here giving comments, & even among you, your views differ….phewww..

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

     #334 @ReMpY_ScisSoR : Kindly check your ugly tongue, you hypocrite! First, you admit that it was wrong on the part of CM Lalthanhawla to use racist terms against Chakmas. On the other, you yourself are engaging in racism by calling Chakmas like “illiterate stone-aged chakma community”. Better, come back to Mizoram and see how far the Chakmas have developed. Wake up, stop snoring! Its too noisy…hehehehe…

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

     If you live in Mizoram, live like one. Don’t try to turn our ways around. If you don’t like it, leave it.

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     sillyBoy Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

     All the chakmas comrade, what I have have to ask you; What is your originality???

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

     # 334

     We don’t need to ‘bark’ back at you like dogs do when they are provoked. Call/lebel us what you may…”bastards” or anything. That does not in any way show us in a bad light as a community in any aspect. Rather it possibly shows what your true colors are as an individual belonging to the Mizo community. neither education nor the Bible has managed to cleanse you of such feelings of animosity and hatred towards your fellow human beings. I wont judge you. Others who will come across your comments surely will.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

     @pchakma: I’m waiting for your ans too…..#326.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

     @Rempy, did i get it correct? u said “Bastards Chakma community”?
     Engoli hugurbo….sali, Bangaladejche mile. Better get you tongue in place else you will end up licking evrything u see enticing? Your head seems to be quite messy due to bad hair day……get a hair cut enguli hugurbo!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

     @rempy, hudu gele, enguli hugurbo…?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

     #341: We do not respond to a stupid question asked by a “silly boy” like you…hehehehe

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

     @Rempy, you need no introduction about your up bringing! If u may learn something from @Zualbonez and @Krista and many other who are debating on this very important subject….. Grow up bon, else nek noh-phenei muri jebe goi…!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

     p chakma….considering that you trace your origin to champaknagar and then to Arakan under Sher Daulat and after that into CHT you seem to have a very rich culture and history with long dynasties and organized art and culture, unlike shift and slash agriculture and oral tribal culture like ours….The Chakmas were also conveted into Buddhism hundreds of years back too..right!! Now one of the signature styles of such an advanced Kingdom coupled with it being a buddhist one would be to built splendid pagodas, palaces, carvings etc..now if a part of Mizoram CADC were ever a part of such a kingdom can you show me such examples of splendid architectures in CADC..or were the chakmas only recent refugees in our hills to escape the tyranny and prosecution meted out by the Tirippah and bengal kingdoms….

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

     #339, im just telling the truth..truth be truth, even if it hurts..who r responsible 4 mizoram literacy rate still diving rather than rising……? Haha. U guys r funny..dnt take me wrong, but im enjoying it..seeing u pple so frustrated..

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

     @341 Dangu Sillyboy, plz refer #255 – #256. you will get your answer

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

     #333 @Ozima, Why do u treat me so special and want my opinion? Any way, if you are keen to know kindly take pain to read my comment no. 256

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

     H.Chakma@347: no, she is rt, you also have to introduce yourself too, if you are from the other side ask what you can do for your bangladesh …..hahahahaha.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

     @Rempy, It pains me to know that u belong to Mizo community. I am sure many mizos who are following this important debate will be ashamed of you, with the kind of language u use. either u r on drugs or u may be too busy with your tongue….god know where else do u use….

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

     @Ozima, wre r u from? R u one of those illegal infiltrator from Bangladesh or from Burma?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

     #348 @zualbonez , I am told that you won’t find any marvelous Buddhist temple (except a few) even in the entire CHT or Rangamati, the capital of Chakma kingdom during British rule. So, your question is really irrelevant, my dear

     

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

     # 353 @ H.Chakma: Rempy is on a high….so she (sounds like a lady name) does not know what she is talking about. Be kind to her..

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     dpu Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

     O Bona Vagchhia , I will ask Mr Barrack Obama to send you back to your Mizoram as I doubt you have been staying in United States of America as an illegal migrant. I invite you to come to Grand Rapids, Michigan to have a “Duo choni Mot” befor being deported as an illegal migrant…hahaha

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

     If she is really high and unwell I hope # 340, #352 or #348 takes care of her…:-)

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

     p chakma…not even some stone carvings or small buddhist temple in entire CADC?..you know it is quite a large area

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

     @Zualbonez, brother u wre suppose to return with some datas and facts about your version of Mizo or to counter the facts we have provided. Plz be specific and to the point, else we will end searching where your father lived which particular which valley and how many trees were there and how many “Tins” of paady you forefather and my forefather yielded from that particular jhum.
     If u have nay data to back your claim that Chakms are living in land owned by Mizo chieftain, plz provide. Else plz concede the truth which is Chakmas are living in Chakmas land (which is now under Mizoram).

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

     Hahahahah @Zualbonez. R u sure, you want to what u r asking for? Have u heard of any place, abt 40 Kms from Lunglei on the way to Lawngthlai where ancient carving of Budha Statues wre found….. Plz make sure u accept the findings that u r looking for….Meanwhile I am still waiting your facts to be presented

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

     #359…..

     Have you ever heard of an engraved image of Lord Buddha, with dancing girls on either side, that has been excavated at a site near Mualcheng Village about 50 km from Lunglei town???????????

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

     @H.Chakma: I’m from lunglei dist. yeah, my ancestors are from burma, but rt now we belong to mizoram…..more than 100 yrs i think you’ve under estimated me, i know chakma people well, my family had served for this community many times, my uncle too have raised 3/4 poor chakma children, give education till graduate… you want to know more abnout my family? or about me? ………

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

     Wow..so much while m having tea lolz…
     I’ve lost all my respects for chakmas after reading the numerous funny comments by their representatives…haha. My kind of debate is always on the topic, not the users, but since u turned it this way.. I have no choice than to keep telling what a pest u pple are…..haha

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

     Hmanlai atang tawhin kan heti tlat:

     Chakma chief Harish Chandra, with the collaboration of Captain T.H.Lewin, fought against the Kuki (Mizo) people in 1871-72. In reality, the kukis had to move in the uphill regions of the CHT with the invasion of the British which was historically known as Chin-Lushai Expedition. According to the historical facts, the Kukis, after being settled in the CHT, had never been driven or conquered by other valley-living tribal peoples or Bengalis. But they fought each one another for clan supremacy. For this reason, they were, in the recent past, known as internecine groups in the CHT.
     Last para:
     https://bawm.info/CHT.htm

     British record ah chiang zawkin a awm a, ka zawng hman lo mai, mahse hemi link chhungah hian a awm:
     https://zominyc.org/?page_id=297

     Chakma’s, If you know where you are coming from, respect the people of the land. If you don’t like our way, leave it, leave the place. Mokoda mui

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

     @Dangu Zualbonez,

     Buddha’s Image is one of the grand tourist places in Mizoram
     A carved image of Lord Buddha was found at a place close to Mualcheng village. The image has dancing girls on both the sides. Mualcheng village is located at a distance of about 50 Kms from the town of Lunglei. A slab of stone is also found on which few marks of human foot are engraved with some equipment such as Dao and spearhead.

     Plz visit https://www.indiatravelnext.com.....zoram.html. Now plz don’t make an effort to throw those Priceless artifacts. Do not worry, we are here to claim Lunglei or area until Mualcheng. All these just to remove the misconception that you and many other Mizos harbour about Chakmas. Chakmas are SONS of Mizoram soil…The End!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

     @Ozima, glad to know.
     My family have been living near the bank of Thega for the past 300 yrs or more…. even before the concept of India/Bangladesh/Mizoram/CHT existed

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

     Well, Rempy u have lost all respect frm all quarters including those sound haeded Mizo brothers. Yes, u will get the support of Lickers…!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

     @Ozima, my grand father was killed by Mizos while on his way to Lunglei to renew his gun license in 1961.

     But i hold no hatred or grudges. My family has laready forgave those criminals and do not hold the entire community responsible for the crime..

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

     @ #364,

     I pity I will miss out on all the respects that you had in your heart for Chakmas JUST before you came across this debate…:-)

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

     @Dangu Zualbonez, I am waiting for your response to #366

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

     H.Chakma, I don’t think that buddha image was
     carved by Bangladeshi/Arakanese Takam/Chakma/Changma/thek/ Saks

     If you don’t like our way go live your way in Bangladesh or Arakan.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

     RAJYA SABHA
     COMMITTEE ON PETITION

     HUNDRED AND FIFTH REPORT
     On the petition signed by Smt. Snehadini Talukdar of Mizoram and Shri Subimal Chakma of Delhi
     on the Petition pertaining to problems being faced by the Chakma Tribal population in Mizoram and
     Arunachal Pradesh.

     Regarding Chakmas settlement in Mizoram the State Government informed that during the
     British period, the Chakmas were under proper control through the local Mizo Chief who looked
     after them through the Karbari. Their habitations were confined only to South Lushai Hills. For
     ensuring effective control of their settlements, specific principles were laid down which, in brief are
     -:
     No further application for settlement will be considered but for the most
     exceptional reasons.
     (ii) Passes for new separate houses will be considered except where the applicant is –
     (a) the grown-up married son of a Chakma who has been settled for at least 16
     ten years in Lushai Hills.
     the grown-up married grand-son of such settlers. In both cases, applicant
     must be a permanent resident of Lushai Hills. Passes for daughters will not be
     considered.
     (iii) The site of each Chakma basti will be decided by the Chief (former Lushai
     Chief) in consultation with the Karbari and will be reported to the Circle Inspector.
     The site will not be changed without permission from the S.D.O.
     (iv) The basti shall consist of not less than 15 houses.
     (v) The Chakmas will make and maintain throughout the year foot path from their
     bastis to the Chief’s village.
     (vi) The rules about cutting jhums on the river banks will be strictly observed.
     (vii) Chief will be responsible for the general control of Chakmas in their ‘Ram’
     (land). They will work through Karbari who will be removable.
     (viii) Mass movement of a whole or a large part of a basti from one Chief’s ‘Ram’
     (land) to another will require the sanction of the S.D.O. or Superintendent.
     19. Regarding reports of the number of houses, the State Government informed that there were
     93 houses (families) of Chakmas in Circle XlI and 857 houses (families) in Circle No. XVIII. The
     total was 950 houses (families) and the population would be about 5,000 in 1946. The Chakmas were
     confined in those two circles only. The British Government used to grant sparingly permission to
     settle down in the Lushai Hills to the Chakma applicants with a clear condition that they would be
     the subjects of the Chief of the villages. After 1947, due to absence of proper arrangements to
     prevent their entry into Mizoram, the Chakmas started infiltrating into Mizoram.
     20. Regarding population of Chakmas, it was informed that upto 1947, there were about 5,000
     Chakmas who were permitted to settle in Mizo Villages. After 1947, due to the absence of proper
     arrangements to prevent their entry in Mizoram, the Chakmas kept on infiltrating into Mizoram. The
     1991 Census final figures are yet not available. The provisional figure is 54,149. In their recent
     Memorandum to the Prime Minister, the Chakma leader contended that there are about 80,000
     Chakmas in Mizoram. In 1972, the Chakma Autonomous District Council was created.

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

     In mawl dun mange aw

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

     #365 Pu HV link rawn chhawp chhuah chu va thra ve, save hmaks teng. A hmasa zawk chiah khi ka la chhiar, tah pawh khian chiang kek kawk tak a ni..

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

     @370, Rempy is just another Bangladeshi Mizo who is trying her level best to create discord among the original inhabitants of Mizoram. So that, she could insert her tongue and enjoy wherever she could lay her tongue on

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

     #368, like i said, i was neither on anyone’s side, but since u can’t control ur big mouth, let me have the pleasure of reminding you that you chakma pple, one day, will be taking up your journey back to tripura with tears..realising how good mizos had been to you, realising what a heaven mizoram is for you, realising what a big-headed folly u are..but, by that time, things would be too late, your remorse, your anger, your frustration, your regrets, you’l carry them back to tripura, or any place, outside mizoram, cos mizoram is not your place, and never meant to be..now, with the oust of this dirty politics, shall be the oust of ya pple..so, why waste time on internet? Better start building your carts to go back to hell..or wherever you emerged from..haha. Let me remind you that for the past 1 year, i’ve been a talkative, maybe most talkative gal here on this site….so, lets continue.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

     #363 @Ozima: Bro, you see your father has done so much for the benefit of the Chakma community, and your uncle raised 4 poor Chakmas and made them graduates. Why are you hell bent on insulting your father and uncle and your entire family by now insulting the Chakmas?

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

     @ #372

     If…Only if your ‘thinking’ did matter at all.
     Why be in a denial mode when faced with facts??? hehhee….

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

     @373 Zualbonez, u r going offtrack…..! Plz stick to Land debate

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

     I asked the question because i already knew your answer and that you were going to cite the example of the the statue….there are tow things that come to my mind:

     1) Why only one and not many splattered across the length and breadth of CADC..Could it be possible that this was carved by wandering buddhist monks..You know a lot of harappan and mohenjodaro coins, tinkets, images have also been found in Arabia, Egypt and Sri Lanka…Does it mean that these places were ruled by harappans

     2) If one were to actually do some radio carbon dating of the image i dont think that the age would come out to be more than 50 years, maybe 75 at the most

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

     And by the time u chakmas left this place, shall i take the opportunity to continue my positive criticism against these know-all-do-nothing mizos..hahihi

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

     @ Ozima w.r.t. 363…

     Raised or ‘slaved’??
     The manner and the context in which you mentioned that makes me fear for the worse…

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

     All of us have had made up a concept in regards to these controversy. . . Now, let the fools speak

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

     Sialsuk lama kan pu Hrangzuala a rawn leng hlauh mai

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

     @373, u wanted proof, I presented u w proof. It is unfair for you now to debiate and start something else. Look, you & many other Mizo gentlemen accepted that “What Racist Lathanhawla uttered was wrong and condemn it”. That was over.

     Coming back to discrimination, here all of accepted that “Samvedna” should be practiced.

     On land issue, we have presented facts which u cudn’t to substantiate your arguments. Now, u came back after reasearch and wanted more facts which i obliged. However, u still fail to accept the truth that Chakmas are staying in Chakma land whinch is now part of Mizoram.

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     Goldmember Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

     Tha deuh khan inhnial rawh u! No Name calling or etc etc

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

     #384, thahminga
     ..oh my gosh..they’ve already been speaking… Hahahihi

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

     #365 @H.Vangchhia: Who tells you we don’t respect the Mizos? We respect. But not “RACIST” ppl like you. If you want to get respect , you must earn it. It is not available for FREE in the market.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

     Punongchan, the fact is many of the Chakma people are born grown up in Mizoram. I have never seen any race that is faster in growth then the Chakma’s, not even China can be compared. Which i believe is not true. I have been with the Chakma’s back in the 80′s and live with them. They are normal regular tribals with a couple of children who drinks and smoke from childhood. Your population growth can not be that fast unless you Chakma’s kept on infiltrating into Mizoram like back in the 1940′s @ #373

     I have lived in Tlabung area as well as Chawngte area and i know you quiet well. The youngest Chakma minister knows who i am, if he still wants to know me

     It’s not like what you think. It’s not like we the Mizo’s hate all Chakma’s. The fact is with your foxy cunning mentality you try to manipulate the central government crying to them about how bad you are treated here in Mizoram the land that adopted you. You are like a chameleon and thats what we do not like…. and your super fast population growth.

     Look at how fast you grow:

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

     Pu Hv, lo tel ve lo laaa…i racist tak tak alomm.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

     # 377, @ReMpY_ScisSoR, You can live in a fools paradise. Do you think Chakmas are like Brus? DO NOT THREATEN…threats will not work for Chakmas. We want to build Mizoram together..however, if you think ppl like you can dismantle it I think you are wrong. Majority Mizos do not believe in destruction but construction.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

     Calling it a day, now those insignificant comments may pour in…Will catch you tomorrow.

     May u blessed with abundance of Health & Peace. @Zualbonez,@Ozima,@Krista @Thaminga and others. God bless…!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

     H. Chakma..agree with point 1 and 2….,..brother the proof that you have presented is not substantive enough….About the statue i have answered in # 381…

     it is common knowledge that before 1947 there were not more than 5000 Chkamas living in present CADC as guests of the Lusei chiefs. However there was a huge infiltration since 1947 into present CADC due to the atrocities faced by your community in Bangaldesh. At present the number has jumped up to 80000. there are …This can be substantiated by the fact that even Tripura , which is a quagmire for its original Debbarman and Reang population due to the infiltration by Hindu bengalis from Bangaldesh, was not spared by you. Several thpousand Chakmas slaso sought refuge there psot independence…It is clear that since Mizoram only harbors a safe haven for you you are hell bent on creating your ancestral land here…Just watch in another 5 years your population would jump from 80000 to 300000 in CADC…

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

     pchakma@378: I dont hate chakma people, and i’m not talking to support CM on this issue. but if he mean for the people who illegally migrate from neighbor country, he’s rt it is its his duty.

     Punongchan@383: slaved? mind your tongue!!when we spend money for their education we are not getting any benefits from them but we treated them like our family, we love them too. after they got education they owe us nothing, they are free to go.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

     # 390 @ H.Vangchhia: You said you have stayed amongst the Chakmas for so many years. “They are normal regular tribals with a couple of children who drinks and smoke from childhood.” Yet, you could not shrug off the racist mentality. Ppl like you will destroy Mizoram and Mizo people’s reputation across the world one day, if given a free hand. Majority Mizos are good hearted. Ppp like you want to be like Hitler or Narendra Modi, or Zia Ul Haq – to establish a society of same culture, same language, same religion. You will only bring bad name to the Mizo society and Mizoram.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

     pchakma, you don’t backstab/deceive people you respect. Especially the owner of the land that adopted your people.

     And i am not what you think. If you are from Chawngte, ask Atil or Batti about their Mizo friend from the 80s. If you are from Tlabung area ask Suruti, sister of Aruti (nurse). They will tell you about me. You will know what kind of a person i am. I just love facts. And know this: there are many unwritten rules in every race. So, respect our unwritten rules if you know any. And also remember if you live in Mizoram, live like the people.

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

     Build mizoram together?!!!….i bet you’re kidding! Oh come on, since when you chakmas consider yourself to have a role or be an an integral part of mizoram to build it?!! Hahahaha..what a sick joke….leave mizoram and it will be magically built…

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

     #397: No one has adopted me. I am the master of my own self. No one could ever ruled me by force or snatch away my dignity through enticement which is prevalent in some corners of Mizoram.As I said before, if you want respect, earn it. Respect is not available for free in the market.Read this with comment 389.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

     #398 @ReMpY_ScisSoR: As many Mizo friends will agree with me, nothing monumental can be built by “magic” as stated by u. It needs sweats to fall on the soil. Ppl like you have forgotten the sacrifices made by your Mizo people during insurgency days of MNF. You think you got it for free and now ppl. You do not know what the Mizoram Peace Accord says.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

     All you Chakma’s know this: Gorkhali’s have lived in Mizoram for a long long time. We have never had much problem with them anytime. Because they live a humble live not like you chameleons and backstabbers. Infiltrators from Arakans & Bangladesh

     pchakma, Mizoram is Chakma’s adopted land. You don’t have a land of your own. Truth hurts sometimes but sometimes it’s necessary to spit it out to some ignorant wetbacks like you. Oh i’m sorry to call you ‘Wetback’ is too good for you wetbacks have their own land but not you. If you don’t know what a wetback is google it lol

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

     @Zualbonez, looks like u r feeling lonely and wudn’t allow me to leave. Plz refer facts not “Common knowledge”. That common knowledge is your misconception. All doubts have been addressed and u coudln’t come up even w a single evidence to back your argument. Plz recall you “Samvedna” and not threaten a peacful community with Racist slurr and unfounded outsider tag. Let me reiterate again, All facts and datas proved Chakmas are living in their own land which is now under Mizoram……

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

     #397 @H.Vangchhia, you like to repeat the same things which have been already answered. Knowing is different thing and doing is different. You must practice the noble social rules of Mizos which do not allow you to hate others, hurl offensive remarks at others, belittle people of other communities, other’s social and cultural values etc. Mizos’ unwritten social rules asks you to be kind to others and help them whenever necessary without asking anything in return. Here, you are doing just the opposite. Learn to behave like a true Mizo to earn respect and love.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

     Let me google it for you

     “Wetback” is a term for Mexicans who immigrate illegally to the United States.[1] It is generally used as an ethnic slur.[citation needed] The term originally designated Mexicans who entered Texas by crossing the Rio Grande,[2] presumably by swimming or wading across and getting their back wet in the process. An equivalent term, mojado (meaning “wet”), exists in Spanish.
     The first mention of the term in The New York Times is dated June 20, 1920.[3] It was used officially by the US government in 1954, with Operation Wetback,[4] a project where a large number of Mexican nationals were deported.

     It is official hairehai.

     Your official name in Mizo is Takam do you know that?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

     #401 @H.Vangchhia, it means you do not know the history of Chakma people well. This is not the forum to narrate you the complete history of Chakmas. So you can continue to live in a fool’s paradise. But I would say to you, “Wake up, sid!”, dont act like a kid.

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

     #400, you’re way out of the line…there’s no mnf, no insurgents within this topic..let me summarise like this…homeless grp of pple find a shelter, a refuge in one peaceful place, and not trying to understand n appreciate the blessing they get, they try to scratch off every little itch they have. I could recall one central indian friend asking me, ”i heard chakmas are a threat to mizos, is it true?” which was followed by my reply” no..they’re there (in mizoram) for safety against the atrocities metted out to them by bengalis”…well, too ignorant i was at that time to realise that the more you favor a man, the more his demands grow… Tho’ i would play no role, i’m sure the mizo youths wud respond in a right justiftied way if the guests don’t knw how to behave or to what limit they must enjoy the mizo’s hospitality…

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

     pchakma #403. we are kind to those who respect and live humbly. A good example would be the Gorkhali’s.

     I have a few good Chakma friends and knows a lot of Chakma’s. Those i hangout with doesn’t have a backstabbing mentality like your kind. Understood bona? Maybe one day we can smoke Daba together but not like this

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

     Mizo thalai te u, eng chen nge in hmelma hnamdang hi in ram par tlanin in vulh reng dawn le?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

     @All, in this debate, one thing has clearly emerged. That is this: some Mizos are out to damage the reputation of the entire Mizo society through their ugly words, and adverse remarks about others. The moral advancement of a society is best known by the manner in which it treats its minorities.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

     @ 402 H Chakma…In tribal societies where art and writing forms have not existed oral records, stories and traditional knowledge are the norms and the accepted truth….Not everything needs to be calligraphed…this is a fact accepted by the international community…

     What facts have you presented? i do not see any facts? do you mean one single statue carved by visitors, the age of which is recent, is fact…or the incoherent and vague statements of boundary lines that was chronicled in the other fact that you presented…For this matter i recommend you to kindly read the Lushai expedition. It is available in soft form within this blog (post link by mzvision)..

     Are you saying i have passed a racist remark..please show me just one in all the comments i have made…Personally i am pissed by some of these nonsensical childish comments passed by some of my brethren in this post..

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     chhangban Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

     hey guys.. I’ve got a feeling that non of u debating (mizo/chakma) are presently residing in Mizoram!!

     if thats the case.. then try to go back once in a while and help out the community. Lots more to do over there!

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

     pchakma, Mizo tawng i thiam kha Mizo tawngin tawng tawh ang u.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

     @ReMpY_ScisSoR: lo CK pui char char rawh nakinah ka lo chhiar leh ang. hahahahaha…….. ngaihnawm khawp mai, chakma chu ka support mahse mizoram chakma chauh, comment a tam ltk a ka chhiar zo peih lo.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

     #406 @ReMpY_ScisSoR, are you still dreaming?????? I would like to tell you that your knowledge on Chakmas in not complete. So brush up your knowledge first and then come up for another round of discussion. Your mentality is best reflected in your use of the term “Guest” to refer to the Chakmas who are by law equal citizens of India. Chakmas have not only equal rights as Mizos but any other Indians – be Punjabis, Gujurati or Marathi. But you won’t understand this, u seems to be a kid.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

     #409, and some Chakma’s are trying to be matured by trying to imply foxy lines.

     Common sense and history tells us that rewarding illegal aliens will only encourage more of it. And this is exactly what many Chakma’s are.

     And read #410

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

     Paritosh…Are you saying that the 80000 odd chakmas living in Mizoram are all original chakmas from Mizoram who were born at least before 1971 or whose bearers were born before 1971 in Mizoram….. Can i please hear from you that there has been no infiltration from Bangladesh???

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

     #416 no one can deny that

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

     Chakmas are citizens of india as much as mizos are…..no doubt..but that never justifies that they can do their grab-and-occupy policy within a state, mizoram, in particular. Hoho.
     My dearest pchakma, hchakma, go home & hold a public awareness favourably on the title ”how to be friendly in strangers’ land”
     hyuk hyuk….lucky you pple find a place in cowards’ land

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     Bawngtlaia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

     Admin-te u, comment hi khar tawh mai chi, an laklawh mai mai a ni.
     Pu Hawla’n a awmpuite a duat sual a, fa u nihna an rawn chuhpui ve ta a nih hi. Fa tak rokhawmtu tur tan chuan awmpui chu in atanga hnawhchhuah mai a ngai ta a nih hmel….
     Bible-ah hian chhiahhlawh chu a puin titha lutuk lo tura inzirtirna a awm asin le….pa ber hian a lo chhiar fuh lo a ni ang…..NOI Ka sawi ve khi chu fiamthu mai mai a ni e, english vek a nih vang khian in thu leh hla ka hre miah lo a nia….

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     Jennifer Lo Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

     Enge insawi chiam hi le?? CM in a sawi tak te chu foreigner ho hi a ni lawmni? dan lo a lo lut a awm ve ngawt a huangtau em em ho hi.. CM zahawm tak hian khua leh tui diktak te hi hnawk a ti reng renglo, a lang reng a, hnawk tise engahnge tunah pawh hian chakma minister kannei tawp nang,a leh ling ling hian ngeiawm hi inchhuah in huat tur hi inzawng kawi kual vel a,zoram pawn lam mite support duh vang a thil niawmtak a lang ni silo sawi vung vak hi enge a trulna, a point ah tak hit mai sela, UT pawh lo nei ta tehreng se rampawnlam mi chakma ho hian an rawn awp vek thei ang chu… chu chu kan CM hian a ven sak rih a nih hi… hrethiamlo emmai..

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

     Takam vun var ba êk ngo ho mai mai chu ka rin ai in an iâk rei peih mai mai mange. . . Kawr dung tui hrik leh uchang ring a pem kual mai mai, buh leh thlai ruk tur zawnga phi cheng ho hian an lâwi hawh na ram mi leh sa te ka chove han tih reng reng. . . An vun lih a khuanga kaih tak ka nâp ta e, ka ning khat ta hle ani.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

     Dear Paritosh and other friends…

     Please check out this chronicle by woodthorpe , ‘the Lushai expedition’.. After reading this you will be clearer about the boundaries of the Mizos (Lusei, Ralte, Hmar, PAite, Pawi-Lai , Laker-Shendoo-Mara,) in those days…

     https://www.archive.org/stream/.....5/mode/2up

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     TuaiSialA Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

     Chakma hnialhrât ho hi in khing in khing peih mai. Ngawi mai mai rawh u. Inhnialnaa chak zawk hi hnehtu an ni ngai lo.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

     Tunlai khawvelah inhnial thiam a pawimawh ber TS…keini Mizo tan in zir ve agai…ram leh hnam humhalh nan

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

     Hei Chakma, read #420

     Chakma, #414 (Chakmas have not only equal rights as Mizos but any other Indians – be Punjabis, Gujurati or Marathi. ) Correct if you or your ancestors are born here in Mizoram before suc (?) year. Even typical Indians cannot just live here in Mizoram… this is the same in Arunachal Pradesh too. We are too good to you you’re asking more and more. Do you know how illegal Chakma’s are treated in Arunachal? hahahaha you don’t want that to happen in Mizoram, do you?

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

     Well, chakma friends and misual.commer, we have discussed many diff. topics on this forum, but never been settle down even a single topic, or compromised each other. So, for chakma(mizoram) people also, if you take this as a communal issue, since many chakma people are just foreigner from political perspective, the gov’t of mizoram does not responsible for the whole community, and govt of india as well. so raise you voice as one of mizo community, approach as a political issue, for that you have good politicians to represent you. When you talk against and condemn the whole mizo community, you merely disgrace your community, which in turn its your own people who will suffer for this misunderstanding.

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     LverT Chak Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

     #426(Y)

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

     Welll…Points shot from both sides ..

     Lessons of the day:

     1) Learn not to be racial ..Racism in any form is ugly

     2) A few Chakmas lived as guests in Mizoram before..As of present 800000 are in existence becos of repeated infiltration

     3) The Govt of India is impartial and does not really rely on facts to pass sound judgements

     4) If pushed to a corner the Mizo community will retaliate with extreme measures

     5) MZP dulkiars have acted irresponsibly in the past and so have certain sections of the Chakma community…

     Rest ,.,let us agree to disagree

     Matters closed….

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     Jennifer Lo Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

     #426

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

     satrughan sinha

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

     #428

     I commend your efforts but not in total agreement with the point shots.

     1. Agreed.
     2. Disagreed.
     3. Chakmas have the same complaint against the govt of Mizoram.
     4. Chakmas are peace loving. But, if pushed to the corner they have their own means/options to choose from.
     5. Agreed.
     And, if I may add one,
     6. Right thinking Mizo society will be ashamed of many of the racist/provocative comments that have been made by a FEW Mizos in this particular post.

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

     Me,myself & irene

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

     Leihlawn ken vek tur ani. Tumahin bus tukverh ah lu leh ban dahchhuah loh tur. Tual upa lalmuana sawm bok ni se, tumahin ka ui ka ar intih awihloh. Mahni slipper nilo bun haw awih loh.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

     Punongchan, talking about your rights while keeping mum of illegal infiltration, I have no respect for you, not a damn thing. That is what WE The MIZOS, son of the SOILS are disgusted about.

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     sekibuhchhuak Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

     Falak enkawl hi a har an ti thin !

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

     chuan Evi chu rul chuan a bia a. . . “mei a min thlak chuan ka sen vil vel anga, tui a min thlak chuan ka dang bil bel ang a ti a”

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

     @ 431 Punongchan…seems like we cannot agree on any major points…LEt us just agree to disagree….and let the future settle the rest…

     Someone please stop your childish , immature, inexperienced racist remarks

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

     mmmm….#437 hi zualbonez a comment a ka like chhun ani..and i really like it…

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

     @sekibuhchhuak , 435, ka like vawi 10000000. . .

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     suman chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:19 pm

     @Mizos:I am proud to be a Chakma brother.I have killed more than enough time scrolling the comments made by all,where I found most of the Mizos just threw unwelcome words which reveals that they are even more uncivilized than those of jungle-folks.M very much grief to praise u guys but, what to say? you are even uncomparable with the cockroaches,who love only dirty things.Here, my chakma brothers are very honest with you,expecting that you all are christans and you would go for justification but you are just making mess and nuisance.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

     suman…among the clutter please can you please reply to # 416

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

     Suman…oh suman….hahaha..

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

     suman chakma “Unwelcoming words” for illegals, who illegally infiltrate…. understood. Comment #434 is an honest fact which your friends (?) never mentioned and yet is our main subject. That (#434) is what i think the CM was talking about. If he didn’t like Chakma i doubt we’ll have a Chakma minister.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

     huizzz….nawi nawi niak

     thlang lamah pawh a nawi niak ang

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

     H.Suman..hahaha.. Suman Vangchhia..
     Zualbonez chakma..hahah..zualbonez suman…lolz

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     suman chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:34 pm

     @Zualbonez: Do you think that all the mizos are born in mizoram?Take the example of Aizawl,m sure you will be dump………

     I have mizos friends who are not even from India….guess about yours???

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

     tu emawni chi a boruak hip a rui der mai

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

     @ Vangchhia # 434

     First things first, NO thanks! Keep your respect to yourself. I should be fine without it…:-)

     You can talk all that you want. If your allegation of illegal infiltration is true there is no stopping the govt agencies from sending them back from wherever they have come from; be it Bangladesh or Burma. Don’t put the burden of proving your assumption on us. There is a rule of law to take care of these issues of illegal immigrants but unfortunately, for a FEW Mizos like you merely throwing brickbats and allegation against Chakmas has become a tradition. Chakma bashing has become the in thing for people like you. If you can point out who these illegal immigrants are, Chakma civil society groups will only be happy to assist the state agencies to deport them back. But I have not come across any illegal Chakma immigrants from Bangladesh. Illegal Mizo immigrants I have seen in plenty though.

     N:B: Your attitude towards Chakmas is well known by now after all the comments/remarks you have been making. I don’t think most people will find any weight in allegations coming from a mouth full of venom and hatred. I for one, don’t take you seriously at all, mate.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

     Dear Suman,,,,you have indirectly said that infiltration of chakmas from Bangladesh in huge numbers exist ..Please note that this is first Mizoram and secondarily India and we have the right to protect ourself from any such invasion…. You are guests and do not have the right to bring in more guests …

     Mizos are Mizos irrespective of where they are from…nonetheless they are also guests and we will deal with them in a different way..

     One cannot compare Apples and oranges

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

     Don’t talk about Zohnahthlak/Mizo’s from Burma, they’re still our people, you are not. By letting out facts doesn’t mean i hate Chakma’s but yes i hate illegal Chakmas… on that, you’re darn right. Yes your super fast growing population bothers me too.

     If you respect the Mizo’s respect our immigration laws. To disobey our law is to sin against us. If found sinners shall be punished
     Those illegals should use this as their ringtone:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

     And listen to this huhuuu:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

     @437, zualbonez…

     Like you have seen for yourself since the past few days the tone and tenor of many of your fellow Mizos have been really disturbing. Even if they make sense (which they do at times) they are ill-intended and ill-willed. We have already seen enough racial slurs and name callings(post Sandman’s appearance).You rightly said, that we are failing to agree on any major issues. Its obvious. Lets hope that there will be a day when we can be in agreement to at least a few of these issues before us.

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     sekibuhchhuak Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

     USA leh Ram changkan danga dan lova lut te ve hi le ….

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....4B6FE69DAF

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

     In many circumstances, there have been a lot of mistake done in mizoram politics, yeah its right to say ‘to err is human’. So, you Chakma and Bru(mizoram) also, you need to learn many things from Mara and Lai community.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:01 pm

     seki #452, Pemkhawm ramah pawh hian hei sawrkarpuiin immigration law a kenkawh that loh avangin state hrang2 in an mahni state ah an tihnun chhoh mek hi. Sumdawng dan lova awm ruaitu te an dawr an khar sak mek a, an check thut thut a etc. Nih China lamah te enge a an?

     Khasi te anga a tlai hnu a buai a thalo. Tunah pawh hei keimahni ramah min cho pen pen reng mai anih hi.

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

     your super fast growing population. . . . .ha ha ha Takam girls are having hyper active sex machine. . . Ha ha ha.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

     Ozima..MAra leh Lai lo sawichhuak teh suh…i hre lo emai saaala

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

     By letting out facts doesn’t mean i hate Chakma’s but yes i hate illegal Chakmas… on that, you’re darn right. Yes your super fast growing population bothers me too. If you want to live in Mizoram respect our immigration laws, which is completely different from the rest of India accept Arunachal Pradesh. To disobey our law is to sin against us. If found, sinners shall be punished
     Time to eat Dangpuithu

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

     #457 An lo entawn tlak vak na nge

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

     KAN entawn tlak lo i ti tihna ami

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     hmingtea Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

     HV love your enimy tih zirtirtu zuitu kha i ni emaw ka ti a.

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     hmingtea Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

     HV love your enemy tih zirtirtu zuitu kha i ni emaw ka ti a.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

     ok…i am finished ..bye all

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

     @ZB: ka saptawng thiam in a sawifiah tawklo deuh nge aw? mara leh lai, hnam ziarang vawng nung si a an khawsa zia te hian entawn tur an ngah ltk, mara chuti khati kan tih lai te leh, Lai chuti khatia sawisel tawk kan awm lai khan burma ram lam nen lam whole community in an tang tung tung lo. chu chu chakma ho hian entawn an ngai hle in ka hria.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

     Ok…good example mahse lai leh mara chiah burmese mizo annilo..Lusei pawh an tam lutuk,,,chutianga teh khin tur ani biklo…

     FYI ka pa chinzah ka nu vangchhia …mahse Mizo ka ni e

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     TuaiSialA Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

     Heti lai chu Chakma comment pakhatin Mizo comment 5 vel zel a hring a ni maw?

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

     #450 Vangchhia

     If you think you are right to take in fellow Mizos from Burma/Bangladesh then it is time Chakmas should start to invite some of our fellow Chakma guests from the other side of the border…:-) Don’t we all stand on equal footing before the law/rule of the land?? Right to Equality, eh!! nicely enshrined in the Constitution:-) If you still think that Mizos are superior than any other tribes in the state then I would better not comment further on your attitude.

     Yes, our fast growing population should indeed bother you. In fact, it would have bothered any other community for that matter. Population surge in a democracy threatens the status quo and it makes them feel insecure. I don’t think you can be an exception to this fact.

     But, it is all good for the Chakmas as a political force in a flawed democracy like India where it is numbers that only matters. Illiterate and undeveloped we might remain in this present time, but someday this will surely pay us dividends.

     Having said that before associating this increase in population to the issue of illegal immigrants it would be pertinent to understand that majority Chakmas being illiterate have not had access to family planning resources like the progressive Mizos did as a result of which most Chakma families that we see today are very large compared to the Mizos.

     If the surging Chakma population frightens you, hatred and anti-Chakma attitude is not the way to prevent this surge. It would have an effect quite to the contrary. Instead of being pushed down, Chakmas need a helping hand. Or else, an illiterate and undeveloped Chakma community will only surge ahead with its population increase. We already constitute around 10% of the state’s population. Imagine, what the scenerio would be like say, after 30 or 40 years.
     Yes, your fears are true!!

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:27 pm

     Then why?

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

     # 467 …Punongchen …. yes, it is our moral and ethical and religious duty to extend all help towards inclusive development of your community too…

     But at the same time let me once again and conclusively say that Mizoram belongs to the Mizos and that you are our guests here. You cannot bring in more guests as you like and help them get permanency here…Please note that we do not even permanently bring in our brothers from beyond the border…You are changing the dynamics of the state , repercussions will occur and our red neck friends will take things unto their own hands…

     By justifying illegal immigration of chakmas into mizoram you are not helping to ameliorate the situation…

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

     @punonghen,,hmanlai kan pi leh pu ten TAUMEICHHER CHHI an lo tih hi enge i ngaihdan

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

     @ZB: KK, chuti zawnga lak tur maw ni le? Lusei pawh tehkhin ila a dik a lawm, mahse Awze tawng hmangah chuan Mara ka chhuang ber, a dawtah Lai ……. hnam anga kan kal pui zel dawn chuan burma ramah nen kan inkai chhawng duar dawn,a hunah chuan kan inthliar thiam a ngai reng a ni, chuchu Chakma leh Bru pawh hian an zir a, an entawn a ngai a ni.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

     still grrrr rr

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     suman chakma Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

     #449@Zualbonez: If the laws are really meant for,it should be imflemented upon every section of citizens,not only on chakmas.

     You are basically telling that your blood is red in color while ours is water(no color)….

     #454@Ozima: Wake up!! Mara and Lai are sub-tribe of Mizos.They are not being humiliated like us,so why should they cry for justice….?

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

     @suman chakma,,,kelchal mang man an tih ang hian i awm tawh mial em?

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

     hmingtea #462, i have no enemy

     Punongchan #467, Mizoram is not Chakmaland. Do not compare your people to the Mizo’s, even by law. While all non-Mizo’s including Chakma’s have to be here in Mizoram before such year (?) to have the right to stay permanently and vote (if not government employees), it does not say about Mizo’s from other country. At least i’ve never read about it. This law, i believe is still active in Mizoram and Arunachal Pradesh.

     

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

     ha ha. . . It seems like Takam peopla are having a meeting in this moment to defend their points. . . Ok, good. . Give your best shot. . . But, do remember. . . I wont move a budge.

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     ThaiBoy Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

     “Chakma nula ho thil hi a hmul lo tak tak ami?” tih lam sawi tawh zawk ang u nilengin in inhnial mai ninawm

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

     ThaiBoy, Hmul nei leh nei chiahlo an awm. Hmul nei pawh hmul chhia ang a ni mai, ka hmuh chhun….

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     Fonz Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

     Unfortunately, some schmucks are usually blind to the foolishness of their blinkered and rigid dogma.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

     Suman..let me once again say that Mizoram belongs to Mizos first which is followed by the Indian part..our custom, history, community feeling etc which existed before the existence of the Indian Union is more important to us….But yes…even then a foreigner is a foreigner..

     Blood has different hues right, depending upon the time of the day

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     CFL Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

     @477. pu ThaiBoy, nangin han tan la.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

     @suman chakma: I called people of mizoram MIZO, no matter where we come from, or where we originate. that is politically, officially true. So if you dont accept that you are among these people why are you here in mizoram, why dont you go where you belongs.

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

     @suman chakma,,,kiltheihrawk an tih ang hi i hre dah law maw

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

     A inhnial pangai 2/3 ho kha inhnial tehse..midangho lo tawng ve sek khan inti changel hmun, lo tan mah nak laia in tawngkam thlahdah ltk kha tran hmunah an rawn siam zel hi..zanin chu he post hi ka kalsan hleithei lo.

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

     -

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     CFL Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

     485
     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

     -

     Hairehai.

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     Fonz Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

     and sometimes they have ironic dogma.

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     Goldmember Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

     in ti thu pawh min ti maithei mahse tawngkam pangai ve deuhhlek kha hmang ula chhiar pawh a nuam zawk ang.. topic comment close hi kan thil tih duh a ni lova mahse a trul chuan…

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

     @ UV…tu te ma…lolzz ka chhuahsan tep tawh keichu

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     aduhi Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

     ekhai he post chu a va hit tiap tiap ve aw

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     Sandman Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

     @ #485 #486 – рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ – Ngawiteh u, khatiang tawngkam em em kha chu i hmang lovang u khai. Deleted.

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     Ozima Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

     Close hma in ka bang…ka bang..i quit i quit

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

     Hu hu,,pangtichawr says

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     blackmagicwoman Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

     admins: good….tawngkam over chu delete hmak² rawh u. Puitling taka inhnial hi i zir ang u!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

     500 pel ila chuan ka bansan ang….

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     CFL Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

     Chakma people
     From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     The Chakmas

     Total population
     0.7 million
     Regions with significant populations
     Mostly in Bangladesh and India

     Bangladesh : Chittagong Hill Tracts area.

     India : Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura
     Languages

     Changhma or Chakma
     Religion

     Theravada Buddhism

     The Chakmas ( Chakma or ), also known as the Changhma (চাংমা), are a community that inhabits the Chittagong Hill Tracts of Bangladesh and the North-East India. The Chakmas are the largest ethnic group in the Chittagong Hill Tracts, making up more than half the tribal population. Chakmas are divided into 46 clans or Gozas. A tribal group called Tongchangya (তঞ্চংগ্যা) are also considered to be a branch of the Chakma people. Both tribes speak the same language, have the same customs and culture, and profess the same religion, Theravada Buddhism.

     Chakmas are Tibeto-Burman, and are thus closely related to tribes in the foothills of the Himalayas. The Chakmas are believed to be originally from Arakan who later on moved to Bangladesh, settling in the Cox’s Bazar District, the Korpos Mohol area, and in the Indian states of Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh, Tripura.

     The Arakanese referred to the Chakmas as Saks or Theks. In 1546, when the king of Arakan, Meng Beng, was engaged in a battle with the Burmese, the Sak king appeared from the north and attacked Arakan, and occupied the Ramu of Cox’s Bazar, the then territory of the kingdom of Arakan.[1]

     Diego de Astor, a Portuguese, drew a map of Bengal, which was published as Descripção do Reino de Bengalla in the book Quarta decada da Asia(Fourth decade of Asia) by João de Barros in 1615.[2] The map shows a place called “Chacomas” on the eastern bank of the river Karnaphuli, suggesting that this is where the Chakmas used to live at that time. The Arakan king Meng Rajagri (1593–1612) conquered this land, and in a 1607 letter to a Portuguese merchant, Philip de Brito Nicote addressed himself as the highest and most powerful king of Arakan, of Chacomas and of Bengal.[3]

     Defeated by the Arakanese, the Chakmas entered the present Chittagong Hill Tracts and made Alekyangdong, present-day Alikadam, their capital. From Alekyangdong they went north and settled in the present-day Rangunia, Rauzan, and Fatikchari upazillas of Chittagong District.

     In 1666, Shaista Khan, who was then Mughal Governor of Bengal, defeated the Arakanese, conquered Chittagong, and renamed it Islamabad.[4] However, in the early days the Mughal supremacy was confined only to the plain areas of chittagong, and the Chakmas remained practically unaffected. After a few years, when a dispute developed between the Mughals and the Chakmas, the Mughals demanded tribute from the Chakmas for trading with Chittagong.[5]

     In 1713, peace was established, and soon a stable relationship developed between the Chakmas and the Mughals; the latter never demanded complete subjugation from the former. The Mughals also rewarded the Chakma king Sukdev, who established a new capital in his own name, in an area is still known as Sukbilash . There are still ruins of the royal palace & other establishments. Subsequently the capital was shifted to Rajanagar.

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     Bawngtlaia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

     A ngialngan em bawk a ni рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ….

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     kawlhawk Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

     Admin-te in ngawirei ka ti reng a(h)! An mawl dialdual hlawm em mai, kawmen khar hmak rawh u!

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

     Puitling takin kan sawi ange, ka hahni ana

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

     #489 zualbonez…keipawh ka mu daih don..lehlam ho pawh an chau tawh niang..lol..zinglamah ka rawn bih leh ang.

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     aduhi Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

     keimahni hnam aia changkang leh ropui a kan ngaih te hi an racist kan ti a, keini aia kan ngaihnep ve leh chhawng te hi chu racist kan ti lemlo .. te ka tia

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

     @ 496…ka sawi kha…refugee alawm an nih

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     Fonz Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

     kawreck

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     Bawngtlaia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

     Pu Zoram_Genesisa hova Independence kan hmuh hunah Chakma issue leh Tuikuk issue hi chu kan la relfel dawn nia…pending-ah dah phawt teh ang u….NOI

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     kawlhawk Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

     Admins, in rawn khak har ka ti reng a(h)! Titi ho lam aiin indeuna lam rawng a kai tawh. An mawl luai2 hlawm em mai, kawmen khar hmak rawh u.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

     500 kan pel ta …ka chawl dawn…nimin atatng ka vil tawh ka hna pawh a khawih chingpen veks…salallaa

     rush to KFC KFC

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

     Rangamati basanti

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     loneeagle26016 Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

     In olden times, Chakmas used to have their own King at Rangamati but this King might have been defeated by the Bengalis and the Chakmas have to scatter here and there that in spite of the strictly prohibition for settling down in the Lushai lands, some Chakmas, very few people lived under the shadow of the Lushai chiefs at the time when the British reigned over here. Somehow, the chakmas living on the border had been infiltrated largely during the disturbances of the state and with the genorisity of the congress party, the chakmas have got their autonomous district council which most believed to be the central politics to counter the then MNF activities alongside the border. It seems the commentators of the chakmas are too young or simply ignorant of their situation to speak out against the one who loves their people, the present CM, PU Thanhawla who always have appointed the chakmas to high position everytime he comes to power that even now, He has one chakma minister in his ministry.

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     ThaiBoy Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

     Keipawh kan mu ve tawh ange; Pu Hawla pawh amu tawh ang

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

     ngoi hle2 ula,mam2 ei treu2 ula,cn lyn dh2 in inlo thnglyn dn ju ny th h type ila k type dn h an ngytei l lh pk gwt ag

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

     Takam people dont have any permanent address. . . That’s all.

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     kawlhawk Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

     kan click to edit ve lah hi a, duh loh hunah nileng2in a edit theih a, duh hunah minute 1 ral hma pawhin a edit theih loh a, hahthlak! Zahthlak!

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     Krista Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

     Thu post leh comment zawng zawng hi print chhuak vek ang a, Pu Hawla ka lo thawn dawn a maw ni le……

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

     Zozial tui tak kan nei e,tin,vur pawh a awm

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     kawlnicolney Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

     chakma thufing leh tuikuk thufing te pawh ngaihthlak a chakawm ta riau mai ka ti

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     CFL Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

     Bedside Clinics in Medicine.

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     Sandman Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

     @ #512 kawlhawk: kan click to edit ve lah hi a, duh loh hunah nileng2in a edit theih a, duh hunah minute 1 ral hma pawhin a edit theih loh a, hahthlak! Zahthlak!

     Haha! Chutia law? Minute khat zawh hma a edit theihloh complaint chu a rawn awm zeuh zeuh, han siamthat dan kan ngaihtuah mek. Mahse nilenga edit theih te pawh a awm elo? Khatiang kha kan duhloh vang a nia hemi edit timer plugin kan install nachhan. Comment edit theih reng tih an hriat chuan thenkhatten an comment “fimkhur loh” phah thina…

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

     Aw siamtu kutchhuak mawi zia hi

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     CFL Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

     Comment edit theih loh hi ka thlawp e. Fimkhur phah nan hman hlauh ai tur alawm.

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     CFL Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

     Comment edit theih loh hi ka thlawp e. Fimkhur phah nan hman hlauh mai tur alawm.

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

     mangtha vek ule,jai hind

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     Bawngtlaia Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

     #496 khi ka chhiar a, ka hriatthiam thawi thuak atanga ngaihdan ka siamah chuan Bible tawngkam takin Chakma Mizorama awmte tan pawh Mizoram chu ‘Khualzinna Ram’ mai a va nih hmel ve.

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

     @pangtichawr, i kawmen ka chhiar lai hian i hmel ka mitthla a, i inhmeh lo tawp. . . Ka nui kur kur mai zunia.
     Ka nun “mama chakma pa hnial hnial suh” min ti ve ringawt. . . Ka hnial lo sim sim kei chu. . . @zuala te ho a lawm. . .

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

     Jai hind tak2 ule,namaste

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 19th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

     @thahminga,,vande mataram,ka lawm e

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     Fonz Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:50 am

     duichhuani smuggler nih hmel deuh lol …over 18 tan en chi lolzzz
     https://imgur.com/WZ2P8

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:53 am

     Fonz nice job dude !! hahaha https://imgur.com/WZ2P For you Vangchhia Bona, you must be missing this ..lol

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:01 am

     hey dpu..no image found dude

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:06 am

     Fonz nice job dude !! hahaha For you Vangchhia Bona, you must be missing this ..lol

     https://imgur.com/WZ2P8

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:07 am

     Zualbonez, Good morning ! should we start the wonderful discussion again..hahahah

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:10 am

     hey dpu….am kind of drained tonight..got a headache too …since we are not kinda getting anywhere with the discussion i was just thinking of ways to get rich

     https://imgur.com/gallery/6mfuo

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:11 am

     OMG ! We have crossed more than 500, when are we reaching 1000 mark. misual.com is getting popular lolzz

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:14 am

     hey zualbonez.. M having chilled beer, wish you could join me.. tuteng !!..hahaha

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:15 am

     dpu…sure hope not for more in this post….misual.com has become popular since i came on board…kinda like starplus after amitabh bachchan…there are some posts where we crossed 1500

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:18 am

     keep it chilled for me , wherever you are…will always find my way back home to those forthy frothy nectar

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     Do-aadmi Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:22 am

     dpu: Duh tawk tawh ang aw. Inhnial kher a tul tawh lo e. Engmah thu thar a awm tawh loh hi. Upa thu te chu an awih ngai a nia. Duh tawk tawh ang u, an tih tawh kha.

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     Fonz Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:25 am

     536, tu in maw duhtak tawh ang ti?

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:25 am

     https://solariasun.com/4394/may-21-world-end/

     All my dear Mizo Brothers and sisters including my mother(because my mother is mizo) are going to die on saturday 21st May as Lord Jesus is coming to take them to VanRam. All the Changhmas(chakma) will stay alive because they are Buddhist.
     The whole debate will become useless then..lol

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:29 am

     Fonz Chilled Budweiser….wish you too could join me..Tuteng !!

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     Do-aadmi Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:30 am

     #537:Nangpawh chu ngawi tawh la mawle.Tul lo deuh hian lo ti suh.Phek lehlam a comment saw va chhiar la.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:32 am

     hey dpu…no discussions on religion dude, by dudes from differet faith…keep it simple cheers

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:35 am

     ok, Zualbonez but I am christian too. Neway if I hurt your sentiment ka ti pal aw…tuteng !!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:38 am

     am not hurt dude….just dont wanna go off tangent to another endless debate…have glen fiddich like me cheers

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:42 am

     I like only beer no scotch..etc Tuteng !!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:52 am

     this is # 545…ooo baby rock my boat..i ain’t gonna look back..wish me off the cuckoo bandlist and all it’s vernacular smile…i strained my life against the flow whiling while the mosses took root…my heart was pure and your was braille..to be read as the fingers flew…ooo i ain;t gonna waste this life no more…goodbyeeee

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     lrpa Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:09 am

     ka la comment ve lo…

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     Bawngtlaia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:58 am

     Han comment ve tran ila….

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     Fonz Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:58 am

     do aadmi tu in maw ngawi tawh ru ti?

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     D_auaChwngthu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 4:24 am

     Hei chu khar tawh ang aw, in comment hnem tawh em mai. A em em lutuk.

     COMMENT CLOSED .

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 5:12 am

     dpu, Bona, Suruti fa hming enge. Heta i sawi duh loh chuan vangchhia@gmail.com ah lo sawi teh a hria maw sudulerha

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     Bawngtlaia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 5:27 am

     551

     Phek thar keu ve reng reng ang…

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     suman chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 8:49 am

     “sweep your room before you spite others”

     @Mz: Aajattye hugi,

     Eaman noa dokke bana toma ene tumar.Soide huguro dok bugode….

     Sade sola loi segele te buje be…..

     ………………………………………………….

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 9:36 am

     WHile it is not necessary to hit back in the same tone and tenor in which many of our Mizo brothers have been doing to us let me tell you once again that such attitude and ‘rigid dogmas’ as someone has very rightly mentioned somewhere does not make things any better for both the Mizos and Chakmas alike. On our part, we shall try to remain as civil and reasonable as we can in any of such debates now and in the future.

     The amount of abuses, racial remarks already thrown on us by some of our Mizo friends only goes to show the sorry state of affairs of minority issues in the state. It also highlights how a FEW (I say only FEW)Mizos from one of India’s most peaceful state (assuming these FEW Mizos with such and such attitude are actually from Mizoram) think and treat certain communities in the state, especially the Chakmas. Like I said in one of my earlier comment, we cannot and should not be judging you. Your fellow brothers who I am sure have been following this debate silently will judge you by the way you have been treating this debate with so much ill-will and hatred as the many racial slurs and anti-Chakma remarks reflects. At this point of the debate, I would like to think it is time for introspection for those section of Mizo society who still think the way #475 and # 482 does.

     @ Vangchhia # w.r.t. 475
     Yes, Mizoram is not Chakmaland. But, Mizoram is also for others to stay and exist. God did not send us any of these states for a particular community. We have to co-exist. If the Chakma population surge frightens you, I cannot help it. You can refer back again to my earlier comment # 467.

     @ Ozima w.r.t. 482

     It was wrong when the Assamese tried this trick on the Mizos when Mizoram was the Hill District of the then Assam state. It would be wrong now for you to play the same trick.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 9:58 am

     #553, well said Punongchan

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am

     #458,@H.Vangchhia: Why do u only hate the socalled “illegal Chakmas”? As a true Christian, you must harbor the courage to hate/dislike anything that is “illegal” or evil… There are so many other illegal population in Mizoram …(U know whom I mean..). But your hatred is directed only to Chakmas (lol……u even target me who is born and brought up biting the dust of Mizoram soil). This makes your concerns for Mizo well being ridiculous. Your fear of Chakmas is unfounded and springs directly from your racist mindset .

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:14 am

     #469 @ zualbonez, for your racist comments, I will do you “balatkaar” (but don’t feel offended. have u seen the 3 idiots film? I hv used this term just like in that film…hehehe…)

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:17 am

     #476 @Thahminga, r u out of your minds? You cholera-stricken mouse! (This is for using the term ‘Takamto refer to Chakmas)

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:40 am

     pchakma #555, Do not just look at it, please read.

     The Bible is very clear that God has instituted civil government as “an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.” Romans 13:4. The civil government is called to be a minister of God’s justice: “to punish those who do wrong” 1 Peter 2: 14.

     The primary duties and responsibilities of civil government are the protection of the law-abiding citizens and punishment of law-breaking criminals. Psalm 101 (from Bible) reminds us that the duty of God-honoring rulers is to destroy the wicked, to root out evil and to protect the law-abiding – all to the glory of God.

     “Every authority instituted among men . who are sent by Him (God) to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.” 1 Peter 2:13-14

     “For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong . For He is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for He does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.” Romans 13:3-4

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am

     #555 Again, Any Mizo’s from around the world are welcomed in Mizoram, since it is Mizoram, the land of the Mizo’s. Any other race who are not born before such (?) year are not welcomed by the special immigration law which is used in Mizoram and Arunachal Pradesh.

     You live in Mizoram and is given district council inside our very land. Honestly, you people are like a spoiled child. That is all, i have nothing more to say.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:54 am

     Oops, i forgot to mention one thing:

     In democracy, we the people elect our representatives, and their duty is to take care of the peoples interests and the state or country. If they do not do their job as our representatives, then it is up to the people to take care of matters.

     If our elected representatives didn’t do what they’re suppose to do like, deporting illegal immigrants, then the people has no other options but do it ourselves. Which often happens to our own people from Burma. It should happen to other race like the illegal Chakma’s and Tuikuk’s too… the same way as we do to our very own blood’s from Burma.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am

     #559

     LMAO

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     suni Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:02 am

     hello dude,mr.ozima,wt else we hv to learn from mara n lai comunity.we r much more advance economically,politically,financially den those coomunity.so plz don’t make such type of comment.we people want only justice as a democratic country.moreover we want to make a friendship wit all d mizoram community.plz remind it tanx

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:13 am

     # 560 VANGCHHIA

     MZP/YMA tried to do that many times during the last two decades.:-)

     I have been a witness to all of their ‘tamashas’!!

     I wonder how many illegal Chakna foreigners they have found and how many they have managed to deport, if they have found any at all. SO much for big talks..:-)

     Oh between, you should check the new chakma population figures from the last census. At the risk of sounding repetitive, just imagine how strong as a political force we will be in another 20 or 30 years!! Add the population of the Brus(also with high population growth rate) to that, and calculate…

     And, if you may you can also add the population of the Lais/Maras/Hmars (who also have their own grievances), the figure could be dangerous to even challenge the very fabric of present day Mizoram politics. Status quo?? How long will you maintain with your attitude and high-headedness??

     Time for introspection, I say (again).

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

     #559 @ H.Vangchhia, did I hear you say “Any Mizo’s from around the world are welcomed in Mizoram, since it is Mizoram, the land of the Mizo’s”? Do you know something in this world called “law”. Of course, your Mizo brethren can come under “international refugee law” , not as citizens. The international law on refugees lays down guidelines how to treat them on the host soil. Of course, they have come only to rape Mizo girls, smuggle arms, drugs, narcotics, sell illicit wine for petty income in Mizoram… You ignore these, turn a blind eye but you are happy to call all Chakmas of Mizoram as “hnawksak”. Pl don’t be such a confused lad, not at least while debating with me …

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:16 am

     Mizos : Lusei, Hmar, Paite, Mara, Ralte, Lai, Thado, Gangte, Kuki etc.

     READ:

     https://www.zogam.org/documents.....uments_241

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:20 am

     Not all Chakmas’s are not HNAWKSAK, fully grown up births are hnawksak. And never compare yourself to our blood brothers from other states or countries inside Mizoram.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am

     #566, @H Vangchhia: Why don’t you answer my direct question? Your “own blood” (a phrase used by you #560) can come from beyond the borders in the east or west only to rape Mizo girls, smuggle arms, drugs, narcotics, sell illicit wine for petty income in Mizoram… yet I have never heard any Mizo calling them “hnawksak”. Pl refer my comment #564

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:27 am

     Hey Chakma,

     That answer is already in #560 2nd para dum dum

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am

     #568 @Vangchhia: I am not satisfied with that answer..I am asking you how it is that your “own blood” (a phrase used by you #560) can come from beyond the borders in the east or west only to rape Mizo girls, smuggle arms, drugs, narcotics, sell illicit wine for petty income in Mizoram… and yet you have never called them “hnawksak”?

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:30 am

     #565

     Academically/theoretically, Yes..:-)

     Ask any members of these sub-tribes if they REALLY feel belonged to this class called MIZO. Or,rather, if they have been made to feel as one.

     N:B: Don’t forget even for a while the population figure of Chakmas alone.:P
     Our past and the present might be damned,or people like you might forever try to see us in that state, but the future holds promise…:-)

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     suni Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:31 am

     hello bro thahminga,wt is yr educational qualification?we just want only justice.india is not a dictatorship,remind its a democratic country.plz don’t write such type of comment if u r educated.moreover according to the preamble, india is a secular,socialist,sovereign,democratic n republican state.so we people want to make friendship wit every community in mizoram.long live mizoram

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:38 am

     Children…let us all start afresh..Lt us restart by listening to Bieber saheb:

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kffacxfA7G4

     Ohh wooaah [x3]

     You know you love me, I know you care
     Just shout whenever, and I’ll be there
     You want my love, you want my heart
     And we will never ever ever be apart

     Are we an item? Girl, quit playing
     We’re just friends, what are you saying?
     Say there’s another and look right in my eyes
     My first love broke my heart for the first time
     And I was like…

     Baby, baby, baby oooh
     Like baby, baby, baby nooo
     Like baby, baby, baby oooh
     I thought you’d always be mine (mine)

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:39 am

     I am not here to satisfy you. Anyways, i believe you already have everything made up in your mind. I am here to comunicate with my Mizo brothers and read/listen to what they say and learn what’s going on.

     Anyways, they (Mizo’s from Burma) do not come to Mizoram just to rape Mizo girls… and never forget you’re talking the same people like me/us. Many skilled workers and businessmen in Mizoram are from there. When few did something bad, all of them get blamed (which is a human nature).

     Unless you don’t know the meaning of “hnawksak’ #560 states it very very clear. When something happens many a times many truck/bus loads of them are deported, our very own bloods.

     We should do the same with illegal Chakma’s and Tuikuks. We should root them out like we did to our own brothers, which is our duty as a Mizo inside Mizoram. Mind you, i am not talking about all chakma’s here, don’t ever get me wrong dude.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:40 am

     #572

     

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:41 am

     communicate *

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:42 am

     @ 570..

     Punongchen

     I am a Lai/Pawi dude…I am Mizo by birth and even if i die on a spacecraft i will die a Mizo . Does this answer your question

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:43 am

     # 511 @Thahminga, if you believe so, u can live in fool’s paradise. I think you are one of those who roam the rural streets in Mizoram thumping your chest but feel like an alien creature in any place outside Mizoram. Today, a Chakma is the elected member from Asia in a UN body, a Chakma is the head of United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues , a Chakma is president of a top university in Canada, two Chakmas are Ambassadors of Bangladesh, one Chakma retired as ambassador of India.. we have permanent addresses everrwhere in this world..but where do you want to go , my dear friend?

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:47 am

     pchakma, do you remember a Mizo woman missionary was raped and killed by chakma a while ago? It’s not just Burmese Mizo’s raping Mizo’s inside Mizoram. Chakma’s rape Mizo missionary, meybe Mizo’s rape Chakma girls, Indian army rape Mizos…every race rape each other.

     Again, don’t ever compare illegal Chakma’s with Illegal Mizo’s from Burma. It’s completely different. One belongs to the race of the owner of the state (Mizoram) and the other is citizen by politics since 1966 (? i believe but the year i could be wrong).

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

     #576 and i am a Lai, Sailo, Miuam, Pachuau and Ralte mix… pure Mizo hairehai

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:49 am

     #573 @H.Vangchhia, cool down dude, I thought you were debating on important issues with me in this forum. But u easily become emotional and wish to act like a thug to “root out” Chakmas from Mizoram. Everytime I read in newspapers/news media about rapes by your own blood brothers, I feel sorry for you as you can neither keep them stuck to your chest nor deport them bcoz they are your own blood brothers. I feel your situation is really bad.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:50 am

     #576 Zualobonez

     Nice to hear that dude.
     I hope your other Mara/Lai brothers and sisters share the same sentiments. And, most importantly I hope all the sub-tribes reciprocate the same feeling as you do. I said what I said at #570 from my personal experience with my Mara and Lai friends, who forms a major chunk of my friend circle..:-)

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:50 am

     Pchakma, you are funny. Next time i meet Nirupam i will tell him about you

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

     #578 @ H.Vangchhia: Are u justifying rapes? I have no intention to compare between Chakmas and others…bcoz we Chakmas do not rape or smuggle arms or narcotics. Your situation is really bad . I know your “illegal Mizos from Burma” (ur own phrase #578) are “completely different” bcoz they seem to do different things. It’s ok if you feel ok with your own brothers act of raping spree. ; Refer #580

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:55 am

     Punongchan #581. Mizo is not a tribe it is the identity of
     Lusei, Mara, Lai, Ralte, Paite, Hmar, Thado, Gangte, Kuki etc.

     Sub-tribes from Lusei: Sailo, Pachuau, Hauhnar, Chhakchhuak etc.

     Sub-tribes from Lai: Fanai, Chinzah, Vangtu etc.
     Sub-tribes of Ralte: Kawlni, Siakeng etc.
     Sub-tribes of Paite: Simte, Zihzang/siying etc.
     Hmar: Varte, Zote etc. and so on.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 11:57 am

     #582 @ H.Vangchhia , if you tell Nirupam the name of “pchakma” he will tremble in fear, and wont even serve you tea, forget about relishing a meal with pork at his MLA hostel house.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

     # pchakma…..only a few of our Burmese mizo brothers commit illegal acts, and it is unfortunate that they are all blamed sometimes…
     # 577….that seems to be a fair achievement on the part of your fellow Chakmas…but please don;t start comparing (please tell me you are not) as you don’t seem to have a clue about Mizo achievers

     @ punongchen… O trust me they all share the same sentiments…They of course do not regard themselves as Lusei but nevertheless the Mizo bond within them is super strong, just like Fevikwik…My father is Pawi and my mother Vangchhia (disclaimer: H. Vangchhia is not my cousin brother )

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

     pchakma, What about smuggling people inside Mizoram from Chittagong hill tracks and Arakan. Or at least help them out when they infiltrate…

     Yes, a while ago not just one, but a female missionaries and some others were raped and killed by chakma’s. I still remember that, ’twas back in the early 80′s. After that you become aware of what could happen (i believe) so your people started sending your children to good schools in mainland India and then started crying to Indian government on how you’re treated in Mizoram etc etc. I have a friend whose house was a thatch roof but send one of his children to Mumbai to study. When i ask him how he manage to do that, he answered me by saying he’s doing it for his future and his people (the Chakma’s). I admire your ambitions but after your people setttled permanently here in Mizoram, you’ve become more pushy and stays mum about infiltration from your side.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

     pchakma, if you happens to know Pu Kushol of Chawngte C, give him my regards. Tell him i’m his neighbor back in the 80′s, i’m sure he’ll remember, it’s the time when Pu LV Malsawma of Lunglei was the civil SDO.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

     His wife is Bidia*

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     lushai_er Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

     Period, let’s close this topic….Dont let the sound of your own wheels drive you CRAZY ! Dudes..!

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

     #588 was*

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

     People in thing hairehai

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

     #584 Vangchhia..

     Please don’t mention my name to your Chakma MLA/Minister friends…:-)

     Now I am scared in case you do…lolz…hai re hai…

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

     #586 @zualbonez, I am not comparing…I am just giving a hint to that fellow who tried to belittle Chakma community..Mizos are a great community, no one doubts about it, but to belittle other community is unbecoming of a great Mizo community.

     You are right that we should be criminalize all the community for illegal acts of a few individual but this is what has been being portrayed by Mizoram Chief Minister by calling all Chakmas in Mizoram as “hnawksak” which is surprisingly supported by a few other hot-headed Mizo brothers and sisters in this forum.

     Today I am sad that when we should be sailing on the same boat and condemning acts of racism or discrimination of any kind against any community, we should be standing together for humanity, and discussion about the problems of our state, instead what we are doing is quarreling between Chakmas and Mizos. And, all of us are the intellectuals representing the two communities…can we all end this ugly debate and engage in constructive discussion? I appeal to you all.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

     Correction # 594, kindly read as “you are right that we should NOT be criminalize all the community”….

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

     # 586 zoulbonez….

     Now that you have mentioned your Vangchhia connection (and of course the disclaimer that immediately followed) has my suspicion come true??

     That Zoulbonez and H. Vangchhia is one and the same.

     Just kidding dude (In re, 206)….hahahaa

     No one else can be H. Vangchhia but H. Vangchhia himself!

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

     #587 @H.Vangchhia, Not only Chakmas, many poor Mizo families too, I am sure, have done the same good act of sending their children for better education for a better tomorrow. All human kind wants a bright future for their offspring and community/society. We are all the same. So, no need to quarrel. Of course, all of us have issues which we need solutions. Together, we can do it.

     Assuming, not accepting, that there are illegal Chakma immigrants in Mizoram just like the Chins from Burma, or several Mizo families from Bangladesh. How can we solve the problems? You cannot stop infiltration from Burma unless the political situation there changes. It is bad situation there as the Christians are further persecuted by Buddhist military junta. The military junta even persecute the Buddhist monks who are opposed to the military rule (u may remember the monks’ uprising for democracy when several of them were killed by the soldiers).

     As far as Bangladesh is concerned, there is a fencing coming up which will hopefully solve the problems concerned for Mizoram and India.

     Assuming, not accepting, that there are illegal Chakmas in Mizoram, then there should be proper investigation done not by MZP or any other vigilante group but by a judicial commission just like being done in Assam. No vigilante group has the right to head count any other community when the process is biased. No one should be harassed or their human rights violated. What certain groups did during anti-foreigners campaign in 1990s was just to arbitrarily delete the genuine Chakma voters and terrorize them while the security personnel stood mute spectators. They snatched documents, destroyed them off, burnt houses and prevented them from filing appeal. My own grand dad who was VCP was assaulted in front of senior officials when he tried to protest these things.

     Across the world, when minorities are suppressed or their human rights violated without any redressal, they rose in revolution.You cannot belittle any community.

     Alienation of minorities like Chakmas in Mizoram will do more harm than good for the state. I can tell you that.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

     Pchakma….Pu Hawla is not representing the Mizo community..he is merely a democratically elected leader of Mizoram put in office by way of majority votes that his party garnered in the last election…What he said in this matter or what he says in other matters are not echoes of the sentiments of the entire Mizo nation, maybe just echoes of segments of the community here and there. He is just being a politician and as such is playing his game…We do not agree to many things that he say but at the same time we do not voice our rhetorics all the time, we let the ballot box or EVM decide finally…As part of the institution that has put him in office you can do the same, or you can voice it in many platforms. You decide…I am not sure whether Misual.com can help you further in this, as you can see this is as far as we can get in this platform….

     Further my assumption is that he was talking about illegal immigrants from bangaldesh, anyway this is left best to your better judgement…

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

     #597

     #598

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

     #598 @zualbonez, I beg to disagree with you on Lalthanhawla. Being the Chief Minister of Mizoram, he represent Mizoram state as a whole and thereby its peoples. We are not saying that the “Mizos” have called Chakmas “hnawksak” but that the CM has made a mistake by calling Chakmas “hnawsak” which will only further alienate the Chakmas (not good for Mizoram). Hence, we demand a course correction.

     By bless of their education and some social progress, Chakmas of Mizoram have the courage to call a spade a spade.

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     lrpa Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

     CM thusawi in tih hi ngaihsual vak tur anih loh hi..Chakma te pawh hian Mizoram hmangaih se. Mizo te pawh hian Mizoram hi hmangai ila..a tha mai. Kum za vel a liam leh chuan unau vek kan ni mai ang.
     CM thusawi counter nan a India ram hriattur a thu chhuah te hi thil tha ani lo. Chakma ho pawh hian Mizoram ‘fa’ nih an duh tak tak chuan an lungawi lohna te CM hnenah an thlen mai tur ani. Heti zawng a an che anih chuan an bet tawlh tawlh ang.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

     @ pchakma…Then i’m not sure that i understand what you are saying…Are you talking about a public apology from the CM or are you saying that a more inclusive representative of the Mizo community , maybe the President of the CYMA, should apologize to the Chakmas for the words that the CM spoke? i am quite lost here…

     btw….Am planning to start a communist socialist party in Mizoram. Since most from the Mizo community associate the communists with the devilish number of the beast, i may not get a good starting platform in rest of Mizoram…Can you help me incubate this party with a starting base in CADC..it may be a better option than the congress or MNF parties ….NOI :seriously:

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

     Hello Dangu Zualbonez! I trust u all r doing well, adjusting you mental clock. Those who have corroded heads might be busy in clinic, cleaning their corroded brains. Though i couldn’t gather the energy to scan each & every comments by intellectual Mizo & Chakma frnds and also not so stupid folks..
     Ahehehehem

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

     #602 @zualbonez, I am saying the CM must publicly clarify exactly what he had said. He had said it or not about the Chakmas as reported in The Aizawl Post on 28 April 2011 issue. If he had indeed made those remarks , he needs to apologize. Being the CM of Mizoram it is unbecoming of him to insult any community. Full stop.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

     @Zualbonez, I don’t recall or see any instances in this debate where Chakma brothers have accused the whole Mizo society. Rather it’s the other way around. Those corroded heads dragging and making it like Mizo Community Vs Chakma Community, though they have largely failed. Well, it is definitely not Mizo Vs Chakma at least not from our side. It is about Rights. Dangu Lal Thanhawla should make a public statement not the Mizo community or CYMA. Indeed, what I could gather is most Chakma friends are asking your support to condemn Dangu Hawla so that he doesn’t bring shame to the State in the future…!I hope u r clear now

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     pchakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

     # 602, @zualbonez : In CADC you have little prospect as authorities in CADC even do not allow labourers or teachers union or students union to protest.hehehehe…

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

     I agree with you, in a sense that it is unbecoming of a democratically elected state head to belittle any community from where he has sought votes…But c’mon dudes don’t expect us to cry hoarse when we cannot even mobilize enough voices to make the Indian Govt apologize for sending in their Air Force to Bomb Aizawl and other places in the 1960s….Please go ahead and protest against his remarks, you have our (at least my) moral support…

     And remember the best way to hit a politician is the obvious…just change your party affiliation and cement your decision in the next referendum

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

     #602, “btw….Am planning to start a communist socialist party in Mizoram”

     Shiver me timbers !!! You nincompoop…I will watch you how far can you reach !

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

     All Dangu chakmas let the lightning strikes if your wihses are fulfilled !

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

     Zualbonez Dude when are you taking rest, do not worry the Chakmas won’t drop Bomb of mass destruction in mizoram. Take some rest Dude. But they may drop you Peace Bomb..lol.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

     # 608 seems to be from the congress/ZNP/MPC/MPF/MNF party lolzzzz

     zimatula tih hi burmese tawng chaun come together tihna

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

     Subedar. Zualbonez of Communist socialist Party of Mizoram… lol ..Salaam saheb

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

     #611: Zuala, It doesn’t really matters which party i am from; the thing is your verse “Can you help me incubate this party with a starting base in CADC.”

     You’re nothing but double face infidel.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

     Dangu comrade chakma friends …don’t forget me when i come seeking your votes

     Allah U Akhbar @ zimatula

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

     #610 @dpu : “do not worry the Chakmas won’t drop Bomb of mass destruction in mizoram.”

     Don’t ever think about it ! You don’t know when will the lightning strikes and thundering typhoons uproot your villages . Just behave yourself and mums the word.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

     @Zimatula, relax & cheers!

     DOSE: Have a mentos (for Dhimaak ki batti). after 5 minutes goggle a glass of chilled beer (for your tan badan & man kis shakti aur shanti ke lye!

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

     Zimatula, allah o akbar !! thianpa….I said chakma may drop a Peaceful Bomb…Chakmas are peace loving. They are not like you dirty mind fellas. Even the Mizo brethen are peace loving but some of you become the balcksheep of the wonderful mizo society

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

     Yes, you too get mentos… but mind you we are fed up with your gibberish chat with Mr. Infidel Bonez. Please leave in peace and gods be with you. You guys can mail each other if you wanna start somethin’ new but not here in this forum.

     I’ll follow you guys in twitter.

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

     Subedar. Zualbonez of Communist socialist Party of Mizoram..Kaw nge kal?? I will be your Havaldar in your pary, is that okay with you? for you your scotch in beer mug..tuteng!!!

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

     #615

     I am more worried about an impending earthquake (remember, ours is a earthquake prone zone)… If and when it comes, I worry about the fate of my friends from Aizawl/Lunglei and other towns on hill-tops..lolz…

     @ #614 You have my vote! If not for anything, at least for participating in this debate with an open mind (unlike a FEW others)…

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

     #617, @ dpu : “I said chakma may drop a Peaceful Bomb…Chakmas are peace loving.”

     Just lookup #610 :”Chakmas won’t drop Bomb of mass destruction in mizoram.”

     We just don’t need you BOMBS whatever you may call. Just vamoose before the mercury rises. Adios !

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

     dangu zimatula…don;t say that or i will make it past 1000 comments on purpose

     someday you will have to subject yourself to our communist socialisit policies, if you are staying in Miz oram

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:27 pm

     Zimatula Allah o Akbar !! Tuteng !! You sound like a coward, Thianpa, Don’t be a chicken heart fella. Just relax & chill out !! Tuteng !!

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

     #620, @Punongchan : You’re most welcome to dicuss such topic in this forum, but not now, we’re but far out of our topic.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

     Somehow i feel like dragging this topic beyond the 1000 comments mark…

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

     #622, Infidel, its up to you, but i don’t see any purpose on that. Dream on while you can, reality will brings you down on your knees. As for me, I’d rather be a simple man than communist party of your kind.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

     @Zual is it for the sake of Dangu Zimatula….LOL?

     Harkatulla & Bin laden have gone to Allah and left Zimatula in the hands of misual soldiers…
     

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

     #623, @dpu : I’m indeed very coward ! Especially behind this plastic keyboard. In the net i’ll alway be, coz you don’t know who’s behind those keboards….!

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     AB Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

     My dear friend(chakma) i have been watching since you have started the debate. Please do stop now, you will not come out with any thing.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

     @ Zimatula et zualbonez

     Now I start to believe….”communism” is a dreadful word in this part of our world. The little communist in me must hide/go underground….

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     lianchhiara Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:47 pm

     Comment ka chhiar rei ber a ni awm e!

     Chakma unaute chuan puitling saa piang an sawi tha duh mang lova, an tam chak dan chu an hlimpuiin an chhuang a, Pu Vangchhia sawithaih nan an hmang niin ka hria.

     Kan Chakma unaute hi rilru puitling tak pu-a thusawi an ni a, chutih lai chuan misual dot commers zingah hian sap tawng thiam, nundan leh awmdan mawi thiam si lo kan awm nual niin ka hre bawk. Chu chuan comment chhiar a tingaihnawm ta lo deuh niin ka hre bawk.

     Ka sap tawng thiam hi a dik a nih chuan.

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

     lianchhiara #631 sawithaih chi vak ka nilo, awmzia anei thuilo khawp ang. Ka chhang peih tawhlo anih kha. An sawi duhlai bak min sawipui an tum chuanglo.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

     h ha ha ….join me in my communist socialist journey and i will make Mizoram ‘Sweetzerland of the east’ …albeit zimatula

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     Zimatula Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

     #629 : Danke, I think it’s time for me to quit also.

     Let infidel Zuala make a Tsunami of comments of his own…

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

     zimatula…trust me that i can take this discussion with our chakma friends beyond the 1000 mark they will also agree with me….

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     Fonz Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

     lol i va peih rei e

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:12 pm

     An duh dan angin min chhaih kual vel a, an duhlai te chauh min sawipui a, kan sawipui tum an sawi tha duh leh mang silo. An fing vervek em mai kei chu ka peih tawhlo.

     A thuhrimah a edit theih lova, kei hi type pawp2 a sumit tawp chi kanih vang hian ka thehluh te khi ka saptawng pawh a mak nuaih mai.

     Ka hne.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

     kan la ti dawn choh ami le o te ka tia…for green communist Mizoram ‘s sake ..its its for a social;ist revolution….do you know what the bonez is cooookkkiiinnn???

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

     # 635

     If you and zimatula declare war on each other then I shall quit before the 1000 mark..:-)

     But, if/when I do that..I will call it quit with these beautiful words from my heart “keini poh in ralmuanna kan duh”!!!!

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

     Chhiar tur va lo tam leh tawh ve,

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

     Punongchen and other chakma frens..i still have a lot of issues i want to discuss…but lets give it a rest for now…we will continue in a few hours from now…it is a little more expansive

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

     Tuikuk leh Chakma ho chu an va chiar rei peih ve.

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     sillyBoy Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

     I will conclude this topic with this word “No men are foreign”..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

     lots of comments are yet to come ..hauh huah

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

     # 643… all for you SILLY BUOY!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

     May peace prevail and may god bless Mizoram and its people!

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

     Vangchhia Bona, Chakma ten i chawngte-ah awmlain Duichuaini Mot leh sugor eh teh huro erah teh hugur erah teh guru erah teh tam takin kilai lo em i a, eva han nangma chakma duh lo ve a, i rilru clean up rawh aw. Tunah Sap-ramah awm a liberal mizo ni tur awlawm, Bona. Suruti fa chu Chitibo hming i ka hria.

     Come to my home in Grand rapids if you have leisure amount of time, i still import duichuani mot here from kamalanagar, Dampui tu poh awm i ei tei….

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

     dpu Chakma haw lo mawle, a ruka Mizoram lut kha keiman duhlo mawle. Nangmah chu pawilo mawle, midang pawh pawi chuanglo, illegal chu pawi mawle.

     Chitibo age ni?

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

     @ dpu 647…an invite to HV for a duichuani and dangpuithu :thums up:..can someone also invite me ..i am nearer home

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     H.Vangchhia Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

     Mot leh sugor eh, huro erah, hugur erah, guru erah… I like this hairehai

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 4:11 pm

     # 649

     My doors are open for you. Please do drop by..:-)
     Good thing, together we can discuss communism without being interrupted by some of our friends who are allergic to that word.lolzzz….

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     dpu Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

     Vangchhia Bona, Nangma Pitaji (ex-SDO civil chawgte sub division) back in 80s, tunah retired. Few years back nangma pitaji leh myself were in the same flight kol-azl seated adjacent, he told me he miss the hospitality of his Chakma frens from kamalanagar. When he learnt, he was so much proud that lot of Chakmas are staying abroad now. We had a never ending talks till we reached aizawl.

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

     punongchan..thank you for your hospitality…comrade

     we will discuss more issues later in a few hours

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

     

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     Chiang-kuang-ba-hua-chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

     Henry Vangchhia bhai,duichuani mot khabo ni bona?Tui har nadin?Tui Chorki nadin hahahhaha.Attila leh Batti hugur era boiled with Puihnam khilai mo?Kema mizo tong omlo cuan setiam roh o bona.Melbourne ah kemah inah nangma leng rawh kemah Australian duichuani khilai ang o bona :-).Bona nangma U.S ah enge work a?Nangma U.S ah D.C(Drain cleaning)work mo?hahhhahha.Kema Melbourne ah Biji mang roh nom lutuk ani hi

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

     # 655

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     Chiang-kuang-ba-hua-chakma Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

     Zualbonez bonah,nangmah poh kemah inah leng roh o. Kemah univeristy Campus ah mizo student pani om aw,a fel lutuk ani a Kema invitation pei ang aw bona

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     zoho Says:
     May 20th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

     WOWx3….. hei chu ka post ni se ka va ti ve, hmmm…..post topic thlan dan tur ka thiam ta, comment hit duh dawn chuan.

     A hrim hrim in misual.com hian rin phak bak in silent reader(s) a lo van ngah dawn ve le, ropui tak a ni.

     to be continued…….he he…

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 1:24 am

     dangu Chiang-kuang-ba-hua-chakma ,…your invitation is acepted

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 12:02 pm

     Many RADICAL HEARTS are burning by seeing the comradery and bonding between Chakma & Mizo folks. Well, I have long trusted my opinion that there are finer Mizos who are equally ready to condemn the ill actions of few and take corrective measures for the Progress & Peace of Mizoram.

     Many things could be resolved by practicing- Compassion over blood, Discussion over misconception, Love over hatred, Equality over discrimination, Humanity over community, Mizoram over Mizo-Chakma.

     Long Live Mizoram (I mean it)!

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     pchakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 4:35 pm

     Only , No and towards any body…

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 4:40 pm

     Atlast.. Finaly… in the end ….

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 4:43 pm

     Peih hlawm khawps mai..keipawh ka la peih tluang zel nih hmel..lols

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     muantea Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 5:20 pm

     He thu hi in sawi rei peih hle mai. Dik inti inhnial hi chuan awmzia a nei meuh lo a nia. Mizoram-a Chakma lo awm tan dan leh an pun chhoh dan chu kan hre tlangpui. Hei hi anmahni pawhin an pawm ngei turah ka ngai. A hnu lama ram nei ve ta an nih dante leh dist. Council hial an neih dante hi kan hre tlanga, Chakma ho pawhin Mizoram-a pheichham an man dan hi an hre ve ngei tur a ni. Chuvangin kan rama hetianga an lo awm ta sa sa ram hmangaihna rilru pawh a pu ngei tur a ni bawk ang. Dan ang thlapa awm dan erawh hria se

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 5:34 pm

     HOHOHO…………………….we’v got some serious issues out here………….those belong to chakmas/tuikuk or bru whatever, pliz note that its better not to deny the reality, reality which you may call as racist might not be similar with other perspective. For instance,If Hon’ble CM reciprocate on what had happened to him and his subjects, we can rightly claim that it was in fact his purpose.

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 5:38 pm

     to those who advocate communal disharmony and those who attempt to build a dividing walls……….:-(

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 5:45 pm

     comment ve zel teh ang hehehehe……..a tam toh em mai …… …a hma a ka comment loh zong2 ai tur nen lolzzzzzzzzzzz

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     pchakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:02 pm

     #665, @ malsta27: U are a late comer, dude. You are barking up the wrong tree. What do you mean by the
     CM has the right to “reciprocate”?

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:07 pm

     @665 Malsta27: Looks like you haven’t yet washed off the junk from your head. Shame on you, you r justifying “Racist” comments by Dangu Hawla. No wonder, it has taken you 3 days to drop by misual and create nuisance when most Chakma & Mizo brothers are in c concensus on Equality, Dignity, Respect & Humanity. Learn and grow up before you smash your head due to the burden of your high headed Head Hunter attitude. Shame on you!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:10 pm

     @662 Thaminga,

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     Ozima Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:11 pm

     1000 comments a tlin hma chuan la ti hram hram teh u

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:17 pm

     @pchakma: I’ve read each and every single words that you’ve wrote and said and the other too as well…………

     For the love of the state(mizoram) he had every right to choke out a words or deeds.

     Just imagine, if someone sneak in to your house and become an intruder, how would you respond?

     Refugee issues is absolutely differ to the case that been brought up here………

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:18 pm

     # 665:

     Racism is racism in whatever form and to whomsoever it is directed at.
     It is wrong to justify it on any grounds, and not the least of all on ‘perspectives’.

     #666 Agreed!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:25 pm

     @665 malsta27, I codemn your justification!

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     ZerO Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:28 pm

     This topic is very very noise pollution. I is don’t know who is racist. Pu Hawla is no no racist. Pu HV is no no racist. They does say the correct. Me so angry. Chakma is Chakma and they is no Mizo.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:30 pm

     #672, @malsta27: You seem to be such a crook headed personality. Everything has been said and explained by Chakma and Mizo brothers (and sisters), and now are you are back to the square 1. You are asking “who is sita?” after having been narrated the entire Ramayana epic.

     I suggest you the following:

     First, get out of the cave and see the world.

     Second, utilize your education to understand the basics of the socio-economic problems in Mizoram

     Third, stop viewing porn movies and read every page of the bible afresh to clean your dirty soul.

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:36 pm

     ahem folks… let’s have a healthy, polite discussion like the educated fellows we all are. Please don’t force us to close comments.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:37 pm

     #675 @ ZerO: As your name suggests, your are really a BIG ZERO

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     ZerO Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:42 pm

     Admin madam show yellow card and tell folks. Madam is deleted one comment fighting me ZERO. Madam, I say the corret and they say no no, use and abuse me. I am so so sad and cry

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:42 pm

     I think we have already reached a moot point and cannot constructively go ahead from this point…Shall we end this?

     

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     Thahminga Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:44 pm

     @aduhi ….

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:45 pm

     don’t be a crybaby ZerO
     laugh and be a Hero
     good rhyming no?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:47 pm

     I think we should end this debate as some body started asking “who is sita?” after having been narrated the entire Ramayana epic. Everything has been settled in this long, tedious discussion. What is the point to bring it back to square one by asking who is sita?

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:47 pm

     Zer0 minti nui nasa ltk..OT nan helai chu thrat dawn hi

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:49 pm

     Shall we end this?

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:51 pm

     and so it endeth…
     anyone watched Pirates of the caribbean yet?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:51 pm

     #682 @aduhi: Good one..
     I have penned one for ZERO:

     Don’t worry ZERO
     One day you’ll be a HERO
     If you shed your mentality that is NARROW!

     I’m going home NOW
     Don’t say why and HOW
     Will catch you TOMORROW

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:56 pm

     #687 pchakma
     Go home but go slow
     if you come back tomorrow
     and find this post no more
     don’t hang your head in sorrow
     bcos i won’t say i told you so

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 6:58 pm

     @Aduhi,
     Pirates of the Caribean-I was much better than the latest one.
     Translation
     in Chakma: SAAGOROR DAAGEIT
     in Hindi : SAMUNDAR KA LUTHERA
     in Mizo : ??????????????????

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:02 pm

     In Mizo: tuipui ral

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     suman chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:03 pm

     I really feel good viewing all of your last comments.

     See you soon all Mizos dude….

     Jai Ho Mizoram!!!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:04 pm

     @Zual, I thought in Mizo: TUIPUI MISUAL

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:06 pm

     hahhahaa
     in MIZO: Tuipui ram chin hriatloh ah

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:07 pm

     Mangthale @Dangubi Aduhi and @Dangu Zualbonez.

     Ama idu bereyogi, tumi gom ole gome daale lobi ode goribong, aah judi jaarbo aakkol nigilele ladit lamei dibong.
     Hamakkai guri bera eicho..!

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:07 pm

     h chakma..

     in Chakma: SAAGOROR DAAGEIT = sea dacoits/robbers
     in Hindi : SAMUNDAR KA LUTHERA = sea robbers
     in Mizo : if tuipui misual = bad people of the sea lollzzz
     better if ‘tuipui ral’ = enemy from the sea

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:09 pm

     what’s Dangubi mean?

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:11 pm

     hahahahaha, so there is no word for “Luthera” in Mizo. I guess may be Mizos never lived by the sea side or never taken any sea route…. Well, we will be pleased to lend you our Chakma word for “Luthera”, i.e. DAAGEIT

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:13 pm

     Well in Chakma “Dangubi” means Miss (but with Affection). Suppose if i call u w affection I wud call “Dangubi Aduhi”

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     ZerO Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:19 pm

     #697 our chief nimister is go and going to sea from chhimtuipui and he is digging a road in Lawngtlai to Burma. Mizo are in sea after digging road

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     aduhi Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:19 pm

     Nice

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:20 pm

     h chakma…we do have the word for luthera …its rukru (thief)

     therefore SAAGOROR DAAGEIT = tuipui rukru

     

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 7:20 pm

     h chakma…we do have the words for luthera …its rukru (thief) or suahmang (robbers)

     therefore SAAGOROR DAAGEIT = tuipui rukru /suahmang

     

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 8:37 pm

     Lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz chhan hma in a va tam hman ve

     @Punongchan: You better checked again what racism is all about. The assurance that I have out here is that, If he ever was a racist, you wont be able to constitute CADC.

     @Hchakma: I made no justification for you to condemned, in fact,justification was meant for guilty of charge.

     @Pchakma: Think your out of topics gotcha …………… Besides your suggestion was too far ahead from my humble state of mind…….and if you consider yourself as educated, you better ceased assuming things on other’s life. hehehe

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 21st, 2011 at 10:46 pm

     @ Malsta # 703

     So you think the creation of CADC was an act of benevolence or a gift deed from people like Pu Thanhawla and likeminded Mizos like him??

     If you go back a few decades into the history of Mizoram you will know the amount of resentment and opposition the creation of CADC faced. You will also know how many a times our political leaders expressed their intention to dissolve the ADC. Alas, there are many things that one cannot do according to their whims… and sadly, the state government does not have the power to amend the 6th Schedule of the Constitution.

     And, oh yes, of course I know your parameters……..how you measure and understand RACISM: through PERSPECTIVE. If someone does wrong to you, it is racism. When you do the same to others, it is not. That’s perspective!

     Between, that is also exactly the way Pu Thanhawla understand this very term called RACISM (remember how he sounded like a cry baby on a trip to Singapore complaining how he personally experienced racism in mainland India?)…..

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 am

     Dear Punongchan…..in order to instate ADC,there are certain measures that you have to obtained. If, from the mainland or the constitution might provide, there are conventional laws and written laws behind which enabled you to enjoy several rights and opportunity.

     I assure you that without the consent or acknowledgement of the head of the state(where you belong) you will never get anything.

     Regarding racism, I dont exactly know how you measure harrasment or cruelty of words you better dig deep otherwise your words and the things that you referred to are so vagued ………….to make it clear. authenticity is less.(N) (N)…Gud day……

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 pm

     I think you will agree to it when I say that the consent that came from the state government for the formation of the CADA was inescapable. The Mizo leaders could not have had it in any other way. It did not come so willingly. Hence, the CADC was not an act of benevolence nor a gift deed from Chakma lovers of the state.

     Understanding racism through the measure of perspective is problematic if you have meant that in # 665. Setting aside how you and I understand Racism I hope you will at least agree that the Chief Minister’s remarks, which is the topical issue in this post was indeed tainted with racist color.

     Have a good day!!!

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 12:33 pm

     ka nuih in va ti za mai mai tak em… An reh thiap tawh emaw tih hnuah an lo pawng leh a ni maw…. Hei tak hi lawm Chakma zia reh thei lo chu.. I en liam mai mai ang u…

     Tuikuk tih hi Chakma hoin an lo helh ve viau te hi an kuang lo an nawr chu a ni nghal phawt..

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     rfa hlondo Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 pm

     an nula te an ngo thei hle bok“

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     LverT Chak Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 3:06 pm

     an la Debate xo loh ka ti…….ti tawp tw raw u!!!!!!

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     littlerascal Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 3:12 pm

     An lo la ti trang2 male lolz

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 7:24 pm

     Lolzzzzzzzzz……….

     ‘Inescapable’ that’s reality my dear, I think you learn faster than I thot NOI.(Y)

     ‘Tainted with racist color’ hmmmm…….is this an assumption/fiction or a statement? Is this the reason why you raised the topic? This could never be a dependable sentence to accused Hon’ble CM as a racist at any cause,I still couldn’t find the authenticity though m not the authority or a person who could make judgement. But even if you could not convinced a simple minded like me through these long debated course, there’s no way for you to get through with it.

     By the way, pliz do remember that the opinion or presumptious ideas or judgement that you have in mind thus comes from your perspective.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 22nd, 2011 at 8:12 pm

     It is probable you could have missed certain parts of the debate being a ‘late comer’.

     Important to note, we did not start this. We intervened only at the point of the debate when we felt it necessary.

     As for the accusation of racist remarks being made by the CM, many of our Mizo friends have already expressed their dismay at such irresponsible remarks that is unbecoming of the office he holds. If you don’t find any substance in the accusation, that is understandable. We all know your undying love for ‘perspective”…:-) lolzzzzzzz

     And, I think we have already made our views and stance clear on all other issues that have been raised during the course of this debate and that should sum it up for us. In the process if some ‘inflated’ egos have been hurt and wounded then you cannot fault us for that…

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 10:11 am

     @711 malsta27, You definitely have all the rights to express your own love of “PERSPECTIVE”. However I neither agree nor do i find any reasons to respect your PERSPECTIVE.
     Let me try to put perspectives which goes very much in tune with yours:
     1. Taliban still believe in their perspective of destroying & finishing the perceived enemies to establish superiority of their perspective
     2. Hitler (from his grave) might still believe and would justify his perspective & actions. He would still believe his perspective of His Race being superior to Jews and wud hold his perspective rights to cleanse the German soil by killing the Jews.
     3. Many white Americans might still be confident in their perspective belief that Blacks/Afro Americans are Neggars and Slaves and thus have no rights to hold any and highest office of America.

     I know u will not however let me know if you differ point wise (Just replace White Christians with Chakmas, Jews with Chakmas and Blacks with Chakmas while desgning your perspective)

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 am

     @702 Dangu Zualbonez, SAAGOROR DAAGEIT: TUIPUI SUAHMANG is much more appropriate

     Good movie, one time watch……go and enjoy!

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 am

     #688 @aduhi :

     I’ve returned to misual.com,
     In my heart with a song.

     Happy that this debate is still on
     And, going pretty strong -
     But, some commentators still need to learn
     It is not enough to say “Ding Dong”
     But we all must condemn “racism”.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 am

     #703 @malsta27: Hahahaha….My suggestions didn’t get into your head? Poor fellow. It means u r a “baatcha” (child). Read again, with a bible in your hand..You will perhaps understand.

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     numbskull Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 am

     #716 @pchakma..nuff said..give it a rest

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 am

     #712Punogchan: Exactly like the way I thot…….:-D . the most important problem we have out here is that, The mind set that you have since your childhood or adolescent period that build and shaped your perspective.

     I will make a statement again (Not an assumption). Hon’ble CM remarks was definitely not at all backed by or have any connection with the so called racism. The fact is that, it triggers the deep rooted ideas that you have in your mind like Mizos are like this, like that and so on and so forth. You know what, Whenever Tuikuk/chakma or Bru are mentioned or criticized, you cannot just accused them as racist that’s my point. After checkin out all the point that you have said once and again, I do feel the necessity that you have to understand some grounds.

     @HChakma: Lolzzzzzzzz…….Think your out of topics again….I dont know what are you talkin about and I havent thot about this kind of thing but i think you better spend somtimes with FASCIST books.It seems like even the world views and Globalization could not change your mind set heehehehe. I dont want to be rude but since you insisted, that communal narrow minded that you have is the problem that we have out here……….Think if you spend sometime with the books that i have said, you’ll find that this typical mind set is the root cause of World Wars and terrorism.

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:26 am

     Kan edit hman loh chu le……….

     @Hchakma: If you are not a rascist would you mind speaking in mizo? .

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 am

     @718 malsta27, You are stranger than i thought u wre and harbor much narrower outlook than i thought u did. While u r blinded by your PERSPECTIVE parda that u fail to see RACISM in the most RACIST remark by the CM.
     Rather than hobnobbing your syllables just to escape the real truth (i.e. you justify RACISM, that makes u a RACIST).

     Just reply on @713 pointwise.

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:47 am

     @Malsta 719, Plz cultivate broader thoughts that culminates into action.

     I Love & respect Mizo Language. Learning a language other my own is good, helpful & advantageous for me. But, if it is forced upon me then I may desist from learning it.
     I and many of my Chakma friends have been advocating practice of Tolerance, Equality, Love, Respect and Dignity. Mizo is definitely one of the progressive community that we have today. There are many finer Mizos but there are also some rotten heads like you. Its time you own it, accept it and take corrective measures. As suggested by @pchakma, plz go & read the Bible thoroughly (in whatever language u r comfortable) and come back to debate. Trust me, u will make lot of sense…!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:49 am

     @721, 2nd line, Read- Other than my own

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     lrpa Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 am

     720..H. Chakma..ok, so we are racist! what are you going to do about that!?
     Ka ngaihtuah ka ngaituah a. Chakma te hi Mizo communityah hian integrate theih turah ka ngai thin a. Mahse, comment ka chhiar atang te hian University director te, UN a hotu te..etc. an lo ni thei tlat mai. He mi awmzia chu ka lo rin kha a dik dawn ngai lo tihna ani ta. Kum 100 hnuah pawh an hrang hlak reng dawn tihna ani!
     Mizote hi endangered species ang deuh kan nih vang a ‘minority’ kan ni a. Chakma ho te hi he ‘minority’ status nei thei an ni lo tihna ani dawn ta em? Hnam mawl (Tribal category) a dah chi an ni em? Kan tu leh fate tan mi hlauhawm an ni thei angem? An hnawksak tak tak em?
     CM hian a sawi dik mai thei e.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 am

     #703 @malsta27: Let me explain to you what is the meaning of “racial discrimination”. The International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD) (Article 1) says, “the term “racial discrimination” shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.” Read each words carefully.

     Let me explain further. What CM Lalthanhawla stated was that Chakmas are “nuisance” in Mizoram without providing any reasons for his allegation. He further stated that it is difficult to understand how Chakmas can live places which are not suitable for Mizos. He means to suggest that Chakmas are inferior to Mizos – a clear case of racial discrimination because the ICERD says “any doctrine of superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere”. https://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cerd.htm

     The term “hnawksak” (nuisance) itself carries racist connotations, because it excludes/restricts the Chakmas on the ground of race or ethnic origin “which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.”

     CM Lalthanhawla who had stated that he was a victim of racism and accused the Sports Authorities of India of racism against NE people (I think quite correctly he said so), belittles himself by indulging in racism against Chakmas, citizens of his own state. In plain language, this is called “hypocrisy”.

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     chawnghilh Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 am

     @H. Chakma : Mara hnam sawn Mizotawng hi an chuti khati vak lem lo; mahse, tunlaiah hi chuan Mizo tawng an ngaisang ta hle. A chhan ber pawh Film chi hrang hrang Mizo tawngin an en thei tawh a! Zirtir-chawp an ngai lo, hriatthiam an chak hliah hliah tawh maw le! MIZO TAWNG hi lo chhiar ve rawh aw! Mizoram tan chuan KAN lingua franca a ni tlatssssssssssssssss!

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:56 am

     # 723 @lrpa : No Chakma in this debate is suggesting or saying that “Mizos” are racist. No, we are not saying so. What we are saying is this: that Chief Minister Lalthanhawla made a racist statement against Chakmas which needs to be condemned by one and all. Full stop.

     Kindly also read my comments # 724. They also seem to apply to u as well.

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     CFL Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 am

     

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm

     A ho lutuk, a dam ve leh mai ang. Chakma leh Tuikuk ho iak mai mai a nih kha. We love youuuuuuuuuuuu Chakma & Tuikuk for the Words say “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself” Mwah mwah mwah mwahhh

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     lianchhiara Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm

     729 – and still going strong! A va rapthlak em!!

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     H.Chakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm

     “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself”, very true Dangu Sangte!

     Jesus do not differentiate Races. All are equal in front of God. Plz practice it so that we can develop Mizoram as the best model State……

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     chawnghilh Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm

     @H. Chakma : Jesus was indifferent, but did not herald indifferentism. He knew the Jews, the Levites and the Samaritans and the heathen-Gentiles.

     He loves the Chakmas of East Pakistan, of Arunachal and our neighboring ones alike.

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:26 pm

     Love you all.. Mwah mwah mwah.. :-*

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     funny Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:26 pm

     In va han peih rei mai mai.
     Phur deuh chang lo chuan inhnial leh eng eng emaw vel hi ka peih ta der lo mai kei chu.

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     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:28 pm

     chawnghilh, nghilh loh nan he pangpar hi ka thliah nang che.

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

     @malsta27 #718(w.r.t. the first part and in general)

     A FEW people (and of course you are one) here have proved that certain people (a FEW, again) growing up in this society have been trained and conditioned to feel some superiority, or separation from various people of other communities or ethnicities. Their mentality has been conditioned to think it all right to use racist and derogatory terms on members of other communities.They have attitudes and behaviors that they need to take responsibility for changing for these (‘rigid dogmas’) are the reasons why we see so much of antagonism around.
     

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     numbskull Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

     ka va han kham ve, he post chu, chakma ho zet chu

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     lianchhiara Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:34 pm

     Funny leh Chawnghilh te hi han phur deuh se ka ti hle mai. He inhnialna hi ka chhiar laklawh a, ka chhiar zel mai. Dearest Chawnghilh, han tel ve teh, a light deuh hlekin han ti thin la, naupangho hi han chhaih teh, ka chhiar chak teh mai a nia..

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     zualbonez Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:37 pm

     hmmmm…here we go again….kya karega??

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     739
     rose10 parvuli Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:39 pm

     NINAWM

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     funny Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:44 pm

     Pu chawnghilh chu a fb ah nula thlalak te a dah vel.

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 12:45 pm

     #736 @numbskull : You fed up? That’s ok…just have a pepsi and chill. But why do u blame the Chakmas? Hehehe…

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     Ultraviolet Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 1:05 pm

     Eheee..van lo tam leh hman tawh..kan van vil hneh ve..lols

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 1:38 pm

     # 738 zulabonez

     So, we meet again comrade??
     Does this mean your dream of taking this past the 1000 mark was not actually far fetched like some people thought(courtesy some late comers)…

     It is high time people take communism seriously!

     Catch you later..:-)
     I am off for a dip in the sea….this is a wonderful day in here; full of sunshine.

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     numbskull Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 1:46 pm

     #741 @pchakma: why not? i am one them ‘ racist mizo’..LOL

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     745
     chawnghilh Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 1:58 pm

     @funny : Sprinting for a distant-race for Nula?

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm

     # 744 @numbskull : So sayeth thee. Amen!

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     747
     numbskull Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 2:29 pm

     #746 @pchakma : still think that you take this too seriously, c’mon, he is a politician

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 2:36 pm

     #747@numbskull: what do u mean to say? Do you mean to say a politician has the license to insult other community people? Because he is the Chief Minister he should watch out every word he speaks in public.

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     numbskull Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 pm

     #749 @pchakma:nah.. in this little confined area, politician meaning is a little different from the rest of the world..if you catch my drift

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     pchakma Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 2:53 pm

     #749 @numbskull: I know brother. They think they are the kings. But in democracy, sadly for them, there is no rule of king. People are the kings.

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     numbskull Says:
     May 23rd, 2011 at 3:04 pm

     #751 @pchakma: the saddest part is that so many people still have faith in them..

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     752
     Mr. Sangte Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 11:05 am

     Va reh ve….???

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     753
     malsta27 Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

     va tam hman ve …………:-)

     To whom it may concern: Those who did not want to talk/write in mizo but brought up or settle in mizoram are strange……………………..I think these clarifies everything. It is presumable that they are very far from the mindset of Mizos.

     The boundaries that exist in the human mind which builds a dividing walls( racism) are shown below:
     a) Physical structure
     b) Colours
     c) Language
     d) Religion
     e) culture……………

     The above mentioned are the backbone of racism.

     O my Brothers we spoke to thee
     For your sentiment and your sake
     Please do bear with us
     Coz this is not my mother tongue.
     It is for you to understand……………we aint no racist
     

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

     @ Malsata 27 #753

     You are one of those funny guys..:-)

     If my friend H. VANGCHHIA was around he would have certainly told you this ” I nuihzatthlak top!!! lehpekha ka thianpa Pu Lalthanhawla ka hmuh hunah i chanchin ka hrilh dawn”….

     N:B: ‘Late comers’ can refer to # 582 to appreciate this one better…lolz

     Good day everyone!

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

     Hahah..ka nuih a va han za leh tak em…
     Reminds me of what they used to say..

     “Chakma pathian hrilh fin theih loh”..

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     рдпģŤіСHAЩЯ Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

     Hei bwk chu va ninawm e,MI sawi lai lai a

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     757
     Punongchan Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

     @ chemtatrawta #755

     ah you sure do sound like a true faithful..:-)

     This particular one ““Chakma pathian hrilh fin theih loh” alone will fetch you some good marks from the good Lord..lolzzz (in a much lighter vein…)..

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

     Hahaha….a la kal zel..

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     759
     sisen Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

     Ninawm tehchhen ngawt mai…

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     ReMpY_ScisSoR Says:
     May 24th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

     Ch_____ Thufing:
     I ke lehlam tan i ke lehlam kha ke lehlam a ni!
     A va ril em, my dear punongchan!

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     malsta27 Says:
     May 25th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

     @Pu Nun chang: thianpa nge thiannu pawh ka hre lo, nangmah thianpa chu chibai kha vuan rawh aw lolzzzzzzz……

     Nangma nun kha chang lutuk mawle

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     pchakma Says:
     May 25th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

     MY NAME IS CHAKMA BUT I AM NOT A ‘HNAWKSAK’ !

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     littlerascal Says:
     May 25th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

     Kal mai teh

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     chemtatrawta Says:
     May 25th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

     punongchan… Mizo tawng in hrethiam nge in hrethiam lo tih enchhinna anih kha.. Mizo tawng ngei chuan ziak ula, mi tamzawk hian in case hi an tan hrim hrim ang che u…

     Sorry for setting up such a test…

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     Punongchan Says:
     May 26th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

     @ ReMpY : Muahhhh… lolzzzz

     @ Malsta27: You are a funny Mizo (#754)…

     @ chemtatrawta (#764): Ah, what a test that was buddy…:-)
     The greatest ‘mizo’ test of the century. And, you scripted it.. lolzzzzz

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     VaiVa Says:
     June 18th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

     

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