Second death hi enge?

March 8th, 2012 12:02 am by ltachhakchhuak

Kum tam tak mai he thupui khel hian theologian ho an loin debate zak zak tawh a ni tih chu ka hre reng mai. He thih hnihna hi engtiang chiah nge a nih tih hi ngaihtuah tham chu a tling reng a, keini pawn thihna hmasa zawk kha  taksa thihna nge thlarau thihna tih kan khel chiam tawh a nih kha. Ni e, bible hi  chiang tak a tlir a bih a, chhut chet chetloh chuan a nihna tak hriat hi a theihloh tluk chu a nih hi.

Setana lah hi a fing ang kur bawk si a, thudik karah thudik tep hi alo zep tel ve khanglang thin bawk nen, vawikhat sawi maia fiah chi chu a nih hmel dawn loh. Mahse thihna hmasa(thil chihnihah “ber” a awm theihloh avangin “zawk” tih ka hmang mai a ni) ka han sawi tak atang khan thihna vawihnihna chu hriat mai theih a ni tih hi khel ho ila ka tih chu a ni.

Thihhnihna ah hian  thlarau chatuan a kang tih hi chu popular tak a kan hriat chu a ni. Chhumhmin hnap tawh pawh kan lo ni mahna le! Engpawh nise han kher tan ta phawt ila aw, rintlak a ni emaw chu. Side hrang hrang atang ka han thlek vang vang hian  he theory hi chu immortality of soul rinna kal zel kha dik tak chuan ala ni miau mai a.

He thlarau hi Pathianin lo kalsan ta pawh nise chatuana kang tur chuan Pathian thlarau a ni kan tih tawh kha. Pathian thlarau chu chatuana kan(burn) ngaihna reng reng a awmlo. Dik tak chuan thlarau ,  energy , vitality hi kang tur lo ni ta pawh nise engtia kang tur tak ni ang maw!  Mei chu carbondioxide leh oxygen , hydrogen kang a ni miau mai si a, chutah chuan energy kang leh tur chuang reng reng a awm hauh lo bawk, energy a produce deih bawk si.

Pathian hmangaihna thuk zia leh san zia hi han ngaihtuah vang vang ila ; a hmangaih leh a duh em em, an duhthlanna piahlam a Setana avanga chatuana kang char char tur a ruat hi a inmilh leh thlawt bawk si lo. Ni e, side dang atang pawha thlek pawhin thlarau hi mihring  a nihloh zia chu Pathianin Adama(mihring) chu “vaivut i ni” a ti miau mai si a le, vaivut chu thlarau emaw energy a nih ngaihna hi a awmlo hrim hrim phawt a. An composition pawh a hrang hlak a ni. A nung hek lo a, a thi ve leh chuang bawk hek lo!

Khing atang khian thihhnihna chu engtiang chiah nge maw a nih chu a lang ta ruai ruai mai. Pathian thlarau chu a kan loh tur zia chu kan hriat vek a ni tawh kha. Lo kang reng pawh nise chatuan a kang tur chuan ala rinawm lo leh cheu pek a. Miin Mount. Everage sang tak mai a sawi a, pakhat chuan an insang tak mai a sawi bawk ang vel hi a ni chatuana kang chungachangah kher hi chuan. Chatuan hi hebrai tawngah Olam a ni a, greek tawngah Aionios a ni. English bible hian Forever and eternal  tiin a dah ve bawk.

Bible hian misual te chu chatuan hremhmun ah kal tur leh kang turin hmun tam takah hian a sawi ta mai bawk si a. Chatuana kang tur annihna hi Pathian kalsanna/thihhnihna chu a ni em tih hi pawimawh lai tak chu a ni. Mahse chanchintha hian taksa(soul) leh thlarau(spirit) tihlum thei tu lo chu hlaulo turin min zirtir leh tlat mai a. Tura Lal sunna hla ah lah Setana chu awmleh ngai tawhlo tura tihboral vang vang a ni dawn bawk si. Ni e, context hrang hrang atanga reason leh logic han hman chuan bible hian misualte hi kumkhua a kang tur tak tak chuan min tilo tih hi alo chiang ta, kang/hrem hnu a tihboral vang vang tur a ni tih hi alo chiang ta em em a nih chu.

Engtia kang tur nge kan la nih cheu  tih chu zawhna awm leh thei a ni. Physical death hi Pathian hremna leh alo kal chhan a ni tih chu “in thi tur a ni” tih kha Physical death a ni zia  Thuhriltu chuan mitthi’n conscious mind a hlauh zia leh midung dam te angin nerves pulse anneih loh zia atang a tifiah em em a.

Chu chu thihna hmasa zawk a ni tih pawh a ni. Chutiang chiah chuan Pathian hmangaihna nasa tak chuan thih hnihna chu ala tih ve hi a rinawm. Engtin? Mihringa thlarau chu Pathian thaw, Pathian ta a ni a, thihna hmasa zawkah khan a thi ve reng reng lo a, minung a chu alo thih ve a nunna thlarau chu Pathian hnenah a let leh vek zawk a ni. Heta tang chiah hian a ni pawimawh em em chu lo intan ta.

Thenkhatin thlarau kang turin an ngai a, thenkhatin thizui vang vang turin. Thawhleh na, taksa thawhlehna hian a nia rawn sawi chiang ta em em chu(mahse bible hian a chian luatah a sawi ngun lem lo). Mitthi hriatna reng reng nei tawh loin a nerves rawn activate a, na(hurt) hre tur chuan thlarau a dawn a ngai ta a nih chu. Chu thlarau kan dawn erawh chu mifel leh misual inkarah hian category hnih a awm thung ang. Taksa tawihthei tawhlo a nun rengna petu thlarau chu mifelte chan tur a nih a rinawm a .

Misualte chan tur erawh logical takin han ngaihtuah ang aw; Bible hian kang(burn) tur hian a ti miau bawk si a, kang tur chuan mei(fire) a ngai bawk si a. Chu mei chu OT hian chiang deuhin alo sawi reng mai-thlarauthianghlim tiin. Heng atanga rawn lang ta ruak mai chu misualte taksa thawhlehna thlarau dawn chu hei chiah hi a ni. Misualte tinung a, tihrehawm/tikang tu chu.

Hei hian an taksa ah hrehawmna nasa tak a siam ang a, chumi hnuah  awmtawh ngai reng renglo turin chu thlarau chuan a kalsang ang a, engkim engkim ata hi tihboral an ni tawh dawn tihna a ni. Hei hi bible hian sawi diak diak lo mahse thihhnihna hi tihboralna chiang tak mai, physical death bawk kha a ni. Pathian that zia hi chu aw, taksa tihsual chu taksa vekin a tuar tir hi a tha tak zet a ni.

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77 Responses to “Second death hi enge?”

  1. 1
    Saitawk Says:

    Mihring kan pian chhuah tawh chuan Lal Isua kan tana a thihna kha kan damlai ngei hian tawmpui ve tur kan nih avangin Kross- ah kan thi hmasa phawt ang. (ie.mihring hlui thihna)

    Chumi hnu ah he lei taksa thihna 2nd death hi a awm leh chauh thin.

    Ka lawm e.

  2. 2
    vakul Says:

    ltachhakchhuak, kan ziah ni se dim taka kan ziah tur hi, i rawn basa ngam viau zel a, i fakawmna pawh a ni ang e. Chiang hlea i sawi hi keini tan a chiang thin lo lai hi a ni pawi chu, kan knowledge circle-a Pathian remruatna khung vek tum hi a fuh dawn maw ni le.

    Ka chhut vena FAITH NI LO REASONING, i ngaihdan ai maha pawmawm zawk kan sawi mai teh ang, ni thei ve tho ni se-tumah phei chuan ring duh suh se…in ngaihdan mah huai tak takin in puang pawp pawp a lawm le…

    VANRAM CHU HE KHAWVEL HI A LA NI DAWN. Pathianin universe a siamah mihringte chenna tura a siam chu LEI hi a ni ni a, a duh ngawih ngawih. Nunna nei hrang hrang a dah a, Ama anpuia a siam mihringte len dunpui a duhna hmun a ni. Mihringte tan engkim a lo hlui lawk a, mahse sualin a pollute tlat.

    Sualin a tihbuai tawh pawh chu Lei leh Mihring tlenfai leh nan a FAPA meuh a rawn tir a, a ngaihlu a sin. Thi siam dang zawng pawhin Pathian Fate lo lanna kha an thlir ngawih ngawih mai a ni(Rome lehkhathawnah khan). Mahse lei hi Pathianin a voh em avangin leh Mihringte kumkhaw awmna atana a duan a nih avangin a ma mite chauh a rochun tir dawn “Ka mite chuan he lei hi an la rochun ang”. “…an eng a thawl e, Lei hi an la rochun dawn si a”

    Mahse Lei hi Pathian Fate tan chuan a tawp/sual tawh a, sual chu tihboral tur a ni bawk si a, Lei leh Van chu siam thar a tul. Van pawh maw? Aw, “…Van hmuna thlarau sual awmte an ni zawk e” Sualnain Van pawh a Pollute a lawm. Chuan Lei leh van chu tihboral an ni(Thupuan chhiar rawh” Tichuan Lei thar leh Van Thar a lo awm a”, Lei Tharah chuan a tlante an leng a.

    Anih leh mithite hi khawnge? An chawl. Khawiah? Hmun hnihah Hades leh Paradise-ah. Mihausa leh Lazara tehkhin thuah khan Lazara a thi a, Abrahama ang chhungah a awm, chu chu Paradise a ni, Pathian thlamuanna hmun..Mi hausa kha hell-ah a kal lo hades-ah a kal, chu chu Mitthi khua, thupuan a mi kha a ni. Isua khan a ding lam a mi hnenah “vawiin…Paradise-ah i awm ve ang” a ti, Mahse Isua kha vanram a kal nghal lo, “Mitthi khuaa’n a zuk kal a” Paradise-ah a chawl em ni dawn ta, a van lawn kha chu a dang daih si.

    Chuan, khawvel tlenfai a nih theih nan chawlh lawknaah a dah a, chumi hnu chuan nikin niah rorelna a la awm ang a, mi sualte chu Hell-ah an kal tawh ang a, mi fel chuan Vanram a hming pawh chhut mah rawh, Van a ni lo Vanram Leiah an awm ang. Tichuan mitthi khua leh thihna chu hremhmun/hell-ah paih an ni tawh ang, Thupuan keu rawh.

    thihna a awm tawh lo vang a, Leiah chtuanin kan leng tawh ang. He lei ni lo, Lei tharah. A nih leh Isuan “in tan hmun siamin ka kal dawn hi” enge a awmzia? A hnathawh kan rinna hun min pek leh kan rinna min lo tihnunsak lai kha a ni(Isua Krista kan rinna siamtu leh tifamkimtu lam chu enin) Structural buildinglam a ni leu.

    Bible pumpui hi thlir teh, a thupui chu Pianna rama kir a ni mai, Genesisah kan hmu, Israel fate Aigupta-Pianna ram, Zawlneiho kha..kir lehna lam hlir an aupui, Lal Isua khan enge a sawi, “I piangthar tur a ni” means i kir leh tur a ni, where? Pathian nena len dunna hmunah, chu chu tlukhma nun kha a ni, sual avangin a famkimin kan la chang thei lo, sual chu a thih hunah he leiah hian, kan pianna hmunah ngei hian a famkimin kan la chang leh ang. lal Isua rawn kal chhan kha kan tlukhma nuna kan letleh theih tur a ni zawk.

    Sawi zel ka van chak ve, sei dawn-ENGE A ZIRTIR Lei hi kan thlahlel tak tak a nih chuan Pathian rin mai tur, kan la rochun dawn

    Hetiang hian han sawi la, ka la pawm zawk tal ang, Thianpa.

  3. 3
    vakul Says:

    Ngawi rawh, nunna nei hlei lo rangkachak tual leh Lunghlu kawngkhar vel ai chuan, zolentu hnuai leh mual tlang khan thuamte chu i thlahlel zawk lo’m ni?NOI :-S

  4. 4
    lrpa Says:

    Mihring hi tisa leh thlarau siam ani. Tisa chauh hi thlarau tel lo chuan mihring a tling lo a, thlarau chauh pawh tisa tel lo chuan mihring a tling chuang lo. (Thubelh: hei vang hian tui ah leh thlarau ah pianthar angai reng ani!)
    50-50 anih chu. Tisa hi thi ta se, thlarau chuan kan rilru, kan sualna, kan thatna te a chhawm dawn a. He thlarau hi a thi thei lo a, mahse hrem tur a chu ‘thi’ ti a sawi ani a, chawimawi tur te chu ‘nung’ ti a sawi ani. Thih hnihna hi Pathian thuzawmtute tan a awm lo a, nun hnihna zawk ani an chan tur chu. Pathian thu chuan amah ringtu thite chu ‘muhil’ niin a sawi bawk. Ka hriat loh lam ka sawi ta vak..han comment ula..ka chian hunah comment chhun zawm ami ang.. 🙂
    Comment ziah laiin Pu Vakula ten an lo comment hman anih hi a..

  5. 5
    H.Vangchhia Says:

    Second death: Kristian zirtirna a thlarau thihna, Pathian nen inzawmna neih tawh ngaihloh sawina.

  6. 6
    Saitawk Says:

    Ril tak, thiam tak leh hre tak, hnehsawh tak leh thei ve tawk takah pawh kan lo inngai tawh thin mai thei, kross ah khian i thi hmasa phawt ang u.

  7. 7
    lrpa Says:

    4,5,6 khi an ril loh hmel 😛

  8. 8
    lrpa Says:

    “He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.” Revelation 2:11
    Ka risk dik hle mai (Y)

  9. 9
    zoho Says:

    THIHNA awm tawh lohna, engmah hriattawh lohna a ni tih hi Bible bu pum zirtirna chu a ni chiang e. Chumi kalh deuh a han ngaihkawih tur erawh Bible hmun thenkhat ah chuan an awmlo tawp chu a ni biklo, Bible bu pum in a rawn present chhuah dan hi pawm mai zawk tur chu a ni, khawi lai a controversial verse tanfung a hman tlat ai chuan.
    THIHNA hi Bible main teaching ang lo a SEPERATION hi a ni e kan ti dawn a nih chu Setana leh ramhuaihote hi Pathian nen an in seperate na a rei tawh lutuk em mai, an THI tih ang reng reng a sawi anni ngailo, an la nung tha fia fia khawp e, se zawng an in seperate tawh chiangkuang. 🙂

  10. 10
    lrpa Says:

    Zoho… 🙂 delete..awmzia awm lo tlat 🙂

  11. 11
    Mx Says:

    Engnge ‘Mount. Everage’ 😛
    hehe, Sawi tur ka hre ve love a.. mahse ka chhiarchhuak dap e
    #4 lrpa comment ang khian hmaaan ah ka pa’n min hrilh tawh tlat in ka hria 😀 (Y)

  12. 12
    zoho Says:

    Setana hian plan A, Plan B, Plan C hi a nei a, (Bible ah a plan A,B,C ang zawng a inziah loh avangin hnawl burh burh zel bik lo ila)…a plan B chu SEPARATION from GOD and establish his own kingdom hi a ni a, Thihna(khatna pawh hnihna pawh) hi Seperation a nih chuan Pathian leh Setana an in com-promise tihna a ni hial ang. Chuan Pathian hian he universe atang hian SUALNA hi a thaibo tak tak lo tihna a ni bawk ang( khawi lai ah emaw NUNG a an la awm ve dawn miau si chuan)…Bible pum kan en in lifetime-imprisonment with punishment hi a awmlo, CAPITAL punishment anni zel ang.
    Judiciary concept ah imprisonment with punishment & torture hi hremna vawrtawp a ni ngailo bawk, an that leh la beiseina tlem leh chance emaw rorelna chungnung zawk a la appeal leh theih na dan hnuai a khawngaihna a khawngaih lehchhawnna lantirna a ni zawk, chutiang in Pathian in appeal leh tur in Setana leh Sualna hi a ti lo, Chatuan atana hremna sut leh tawh loh tur, sawi pawh sawi rik leh tawh loh tur, ngaihtuahna ah pawh a zeuh pawh a lut leh tawhlo tur a hremna a ni zawk e. In auh phak leh inhmuh phak lam chu ni lul lo ve. “Hriat pawh an hre reng tawh lovang” tih a ni zawk.

  13. 13
    zoho Says:

    Vakul comment khi kan tuihnih ve teh ang:
    FAITH NILO REASONING?? Nangni ang duang hi chuan inchaltauh tir lovin, kaldun tir in thiam ka lo rin tehreng nen, sava thla 2 a a thlawk ang in, faith leh reasoning(Pathian min pek ve ve) hi hmanthiam tur zawk asin le. Kan ram a Blind Faith a kan kal nasat lutuk avanga Pa in a fapa thudik a a hruai theihloh phah nasat zia hi a rinthlak em asin. Blind Faith leh tawnghriatloh hi chu a changtu tan a tha ve ngawr ngawr lek, midang tan engmah sawtna a thlen lo.

    Vanram chu he lei hi ni dawn chiang e. Miin Thlarau Thianghlim diktak a neih chuan ‘dunamis’ a nei ang, HUAI tak leh THUNEI takin thu an sawi zel ang,Setana counterfeit chu a awm tho bawk.

    Mihausa kha haides ah a kal a, na tak tuar reng reng in a awm a, Isua kha a thih khan haides ah tho a kal a,chinfel ngai a awm e.

    Paradise hi khitah a awm tih Bible in min zirtir lo, paradeisos(pangpar huan), saltang ten Persian tawng an rawn hawn mai a ni, Eden huan sawina tho a ni, he khawvel a Isua rawn din leh tur, Vanram kha mawle.

  14. 14
    lrpa Says:

    Zoho..i sawi hi ka pawm chin ka nei a, hriatthiam loh tam tak ka nei a. Mahse hei hi chu thih hnihna chungchang pawh ani lem lo.
    Pathianin Universe a siam a, arsi te an awm chichiai a, a mawi hlawm khawp mai. Mahse hemi mawina oppose tu hi a awm zel ani awm e! black hole te an ti a, arsi eitu! Pathian in a siam, mawi a tih em em khawvel ngei pawh asteroid tam takin a deng chum chum reng a, hlauhawm tham in a la rawn deng lo mai chauh zawk ani. Anti matter a awm te an ti leh zel a..kan sawi duah nachhan chu engkim hian oppose tu a nei vek ani. Pathian ngei pawh Setana thil tih theihna chuan a oppose char char a. Jekyl and Hyde ang deuh khan. Ka question (I chhan tur ka ti kher lo) chu opposite nei lo hian universe hi a kal thei angem? A kal theih hun a awm angem?
    Mihring bikah chuan, post lam..Thih hnihna chu chatuana hrem turte ta bik anih a chiang a Thupuan 2:11 atang khian and comment 4 🙂
    Thlarau khawvelah chuan hun a awm lo a, hunin awmzia a nei hek lo. Nimin a awm lo a, naktuk a awm hek lo! Thih hnihna chang tu te hremna rapthlak tur zia chu hei vang hi ani. An tuar reng mai dawn ani. Hremna kha ‘now’ anih reng avang in!
    Chutiang tho in ‘chawimawina’ dawngtu te tan pawh hlim rengna, nuam em em kha a nawmna tur ber chu chatuana nawmna an neih dawn vang ani.
    Chiang em aw 🙂

  15. 15
    PKfanai Says:

    Vantirhkohte leh Mihringte tana HLAUHAWM ber mai, Pathian thinurna vawrtawp chu THIHHNIHNA hi a ni. Pathian laka HEL leh amah tluk han tum ve khanglang, Vana HELNA chawkchhuaktu leh amah zuitu Vantirhkohte tana buatsaih tihdanglam theih tawh loh a ni. Isua khan eng dang zawng aia hlau turin min fuih bawk. He thihhnihna hmuna kal ai chuan kut leh ke, mit leh beng chan rem rum pawh a tha zawk, he lei taksa thi thei chan hial pawh a tha zawk.
    He Thihhnihnaopposite chiah chu CHATUAN NUNNA/NUNNA LALLUKHUM alo n leh a, chumi chang tur chuan he lei taksa thi tho tho tur lo chan ve te hi chu cho/phal hliah hliah tur hi ani mai. Chu chu Bible minzirtir dan a ni.

  16. 16
    Chhuaklinga Says:

    Hei hi ka lo vawm bei ve mai mai. Kan Pathin hi engkim (setana nen lam)chung a roreltu a ni a, hmangaihna tawpthei lovin min hmangaih a, kan thatna turin ro min rel sak thin.

    He hla tlar hi Sam bu a awm ve a mawi a niin ka hria. 🙂
    ‘A remruata innghat ringtute nun zawngah chuan buaina tur reng hi a lo awm love.’

    Isaia 45:7 – Eng ka siam thin a, thim pawh ka siam thin a ni; remna ka siam thin a, sualna pawh ka siam thin a ni; kei hi LALPA, chung thil zawng zawng ti thintu chu ka ni,” tiin.

    tren tren

  17. 17
    mr.Duhlova Says:

    Pathian thu inhre ril-in, “Ka Pu” tih hial tlak in tam hle mai. A bengvar thlak thin tak meuh meuh a ni.

    Hun awl neih lai chuh-in, riru a awm, i han phawrh ve mai mai teh ang…

    Rev.20:11-15

    ” Tin, lalthutphah lianpui var tak leh a chunga thu chu ka hmu a, a hma ata chu lei leh van an tlan bo va, an tan hmun reng a awm ta lo va.

    Tin, mitthite, alian atein, lalthutphah hmaa ding ka hmu a; tin, lehkhabute an hawng a; tin, lehkhabu dang, Nunna Bu chu an hawng bawk a; tin, mitthite chu lehkhabutea ziak an thiltih ang zela relsakin an awm ta a.

    Tuifinriat chuan a chhunga mitthi awmte chu a chhuahtir a, Thihna leh Mitthi khua chuan an chhunga mitthi awmte chu an chhuahtir bawk a; tin, mi tin an thiltih ang zela relsakin an awm ta a.

    Tin, Thihna leh Mitthi Khuate chu mei dilah an paih a. Chu chu THIH HNIHNA chu a ni, mei dil chu.

    Tu hming pawh Nunna Bua ziak an hmuh loh chuan mei dilah an paih bawk a.”

    A fiah deuh zawk nan….?

    Then, death & Hades were thrown into the lake of fire (see Rev. 19:20). (hetah hian Zoram Kristian thilmak lawmtu te hi kan fimkhur a tul).

    In a way, death & Hades are partners. Hades is the place where they sends its victims. Hades is like the “stomach” of death; it is where those “eaten” by death end up. But at last judgment, both “death” and its “stomach” will be destroyed (see Isaiah 25:8; I Co.15:54-55).

    Also in John’s vision, death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire, just as had happened to Satan and to the beast and the false prophet earlier (Rev.19:20; 20:10). Furthermore, all those who names were not written in the BOOK OF LIFE were also thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE. The lake of fire is called SECOND DEATH; it lasts forever.

    Heng hi kan thurin bu “Bible”a, Tho leh Lal Isua’n, a hmangaih Johana hnena ziak tura thu a pek, khawvel tawp huna lo thleng ngei ngei tur, a thupuan, danglam ve mai mai lo tura chunglam ‘thawk khum’ a seal hnan hmiah a ni. (Pu Hawla te’n, a zung nen lama phoro an sawi ang mai mai a ni ve lo).

    John gives us a preview of what the last Judgment of God will be like. After the final judgment, there will be no chance for appeal. All whose names were not written in the BOOK OF LIFE will be given everlasting punishment.

    (The lake of fire is the same as the fiery lake of burning sulfur mentioned in Revelation 19:20; 20:10)

    Therefore, there is no more important question a person can ask in this life than this: Is my name written in the book of life or not? ;-(

  18. 18
    donald Says:

    A ngai te bawk maw.. LoL

    Zoho chu i obsession i la kalsan thei lo a ni maw? Hihi.. I tui tlar tlar bawka zuitu pawh i nei tha khawp a lawm. Pelegia leh a disciple rinawm Celetia te pawh min ti hrechhuak. Celetia pawh kha a thahnemngai lutukin a pu kha buaina hrang2-ah a hnuklut a, insawifiah a tul ta fo a nih kha. A tawpah phei chuan heretic nihna hial khilai a nih tak kha. A zirtirna leh thurin tamtak kha zirchian atana awhawm tak2 a tam tehreng nen, kohhran berin heretic-a a condemn tak si avang khan a thuziak leh zirtirna te chu hmuh tur awm mumal lovin a thamral ta vek si a. Augustinea’n tlemte a record kha kan hmuhtheih chu a ni ta mai. A pawi ka ti.

    Tuna issue leh theirah chungchang hi chu biblical argument present ka tum tawh lo, kan sawi tam tawk tawhin ka hria. Personal interpretation leh speculation chu mimal zalennaah ka dah hmiah tawh. Rin hran nei mi chu vawihnih emaw titipui a tawk tih kha Bible min zirtir dan a ni miau a (NOI).

    Ka sawi duh erawh chu, Bible zirtirna tluangtlama chanchintha hril hi a himin Pathian lawmzawng a ni tih hi a ni. Pakhatna-ah chuan Bible-in theirah an ei a tih chuan, theirah an ei tia zirtir hi a tawk em em. Sex a involve emaw volve lo emaw, a inziak anga sual thu kohhran-in a zirtir hi zoram kristianna hrisel loh chhan a ni lo. ‘ Eden bawhchhatna kha sex a ni’ ti pawn zirtir engang mah ula, chu chuan kristianna hi a reform hauh lo ang.

    A dawtah a chuan misualte hremna hi chatuan hremna a nihzia vawi tamtak Biblein a sawi a, figurative a ni emaw ni lo emaw meidila nghaisak tur annih thu a sawi chiang. Chutiang chuan kohhran hian a zirtir a ni leh mai. Thudik a ni. Pu vakul i khakna kha a tul lo ang reng hleiin ka hria. Kohhran hi a tawngpawnga hmuh sakawlh viau tur a ni lo. A dik lo chu a awm tehmeuh mai; zep thu a cheng lo. Chu chu siamthat hi kan mawh a ni bawk. Mahse kan mimal ngaihdan leh zeldin ang an pawm loh avang maia kohhran hi kan sel/do a nih vaih chuan ….

    Ka sawi awmzia i hriatthiam ka beisei. Bible hian chiang takin ‘eden huana thingrah an ei tih awmzia chu Setana’n evi mawngah a pawl (i sawidanin)’ tizawngin a ziak lo va, chuti zawnga ngaih theih turin eng verse mah a awm bawk lo va. Chuvangin i ngaihdan anga bible interpret emaw zirtir hi tumahin kan ba lova, Pathian paw’n a phut hek lo. Chutiang bawkin thih hnihna hi cessation from existence or annihilation a nih thu Bible-in a sawi lova, Isuan a sawi lova, apostol ten an sawi lova, church father ten an sawi nahek lo. Chuvangin heti ang zawnga zirtir hi kan bawk lo bawk. Setana bumna a ni lova, Bible-a inziak ang kohhran hian a zirtir a ni leh mai. Nangni leh keini pian hma daih khan heng thu hi an lo khel nasa tawh em mai.

    A tawngbul lam atanga kan chhui a nih phei chuan a tawngbul neitute ngei zirtirna te pawh hi bih tel ila a tha khawp. Greek orthodox church ngei pawh hian ‘boral/thi/thih hnihna/destroy/death/perish’ tihte hi ceasation of existence emaw annihilation ang zawngin emaw a interpret/zirtir ngai lo (ka hriat ve phak chin-ah).

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    Jacka Pi Says:

    Ka chhiar chhuak a, ka var uar chuang miah lo :-S. Pathianin hluma a siamah nunna thaw a thaw lut a, mihring chu mi nung a lo ni ta a,mahse thuawihlohna sual avangin perfect a siam kha corrupted a lo ni ta a, chu corrupted soul chuan Pathian nen inzawm ngaihna a nei tawhlo reng reng a, mahse Lal Isua Krista,Pathian Fapa thihna leh thawhlehna tawmpuitu te tan erawh chuan Pathian nunna,uncorrupted soul, Eden huana mi ang kha an nei leh thei ta chauh a, ringlotute tan erawh chuan Pathian nunna tawmpui thei tawhlo corrupted soul khan thih hnihna chu a experience dawn chiang

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    mr.Duhlova Says:

    Iaiah 65:17;66:22
    2 Pet.312-13….Chhiar hnu-ah,

    Rev. 21:1-2 chhiar leh ta ila..

    Tin, van thar leh lei thar ka hmu a; van hmasa leh lei hmasa chu an boral tawh a, tuifinriat pawh a awm tawh lo a ni.Tin, khaw thianghlim Jerusalem thar chu, mo a pasal ela a inchei anga peih diamin Pathian hnena mi van ata lo chhuk ka hmu bawk a. (L)

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    #17
    mr.Duhlova

    Tin, Thihna leh Mitthi Khuate chu mei dilah an paih a. Chu chu THIH HNIHNA chu a ni, mei dil chu.

    Hei hi i rawn tarlan kha a nia. Dik tak chuan thihna, mitthi khua, a awmzia man tak tak loh chuan kang vut vut tura ngaih hi a buaithlak a, a confusing a nia a. Han ngaihtuahla kang turin mitthi khua, thihna chu enge awmzia awm vak ang. Subject mai mai kang tur chuan awmzia a awm nan. Misual hremna tak tak pawh a ni nang le. Context dang han en leh ang aw..Thupuan 21:8 ah chuan misual te chu Gehenna -ah an kan ral tur thu a sawi a. Daniala 12:2 -na ah chuan “mitthi tawh te chu anlo thangharh leh ang a, thenkhat chatuan nunna ah, thenkhat zahna leh chatuan hremna ah” a ti a ni. Mitthi chu thlarau neilo, kang tur hi thlarau a nih loh zia chu khi chang ringawt pawh khian a sawi. Anlo nun leh dawn chuan nunna thlarau an dawng leh reng dawn a , chu chu category hnihin a awm ka tihphah ta reng a ni.

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    donald Says:

    Ka thil type chu typo nuihzatthak deuh a awm..

    “Chuvangin heti ang zawnga zirtir hi kan bawk lo bawk” 😛

    “KAN BA LO BAWK” ka tihna a nia aw lal zoho !

    Mobile atang hi chuan tihsual lai check a har tawh thin a nih hi :ngaidam:

    Chuan i argument pakhat tha deuh (ni a lang) kha respond leh lawk ka duh. Lta hian khawngaihin min lo hrethiam sela ka OT deuh maithei. Mahse in subject tuipui ve ve tho a ni a, OT lutuk lo turah ka inngai.

    Thei ei leh sex chungchang-ah khan serpent seed propagandist te argument chhuantawlawl kha i rawn hmang a:

    Ka’n quote lawk ang che –

    “An bawhchhiat khan engatinge an serh an zahpui ringawt? Engatinge an ka an hup loh, engatinge an beng an hup loh, engtinge an mit an hup loh? Saruakna leh serh in zawmna leh eden sualna hian inzawmna a nei a ni mai lo maw? Kan hriat chin leh kan pawmdan chin rawn nek reng reng hi chuan kan temperature hi a vawrh sang hmasa ziah alawm”

    A hmasa-in, Adam te’n an bawhchhiat khan an serh an zahpui tu nge ti? I presupposition a ni zawk lo maw? An saruakna kha an zahpui a ni mai a, an serh chauh a ni kher lo maithei a sin. An serh chauh an khuh tih pawh a awm lo. Han ngaihtuah la, naked chu dictionary definition-ah chuan, “without the usual covering or protection(of a tree, plant, or animal) without leaves, hairs, etc” tih a ni mai a. A chhia leh a tha hriatna thei an ei hnu khan an han hawi kual a, thingkung-te khan hnah khuhtu an nei tih an hmu a, ramsa te lah chuan khuhtu hmul an lo nei dur mai si a. An nihna leh Pathian siamdan tak saruakna kha a DANGLAM tak em avang khan zahthlak niin an hre ta mai zawk a ang. Pathianin zathlak a tih loh kha an sual tak avang khan zahthlak an ti ta a nih chu. Thupek an bawhchhiat hnua an nihna leh hriatna dana Pathian an oppose na a ni.

    Tichuan i line of argument hi a valid loh nachhan ka’n point out leh ang e. An saruakna [i ngaihdan chuan an zahmawh] zahpui vanga khuh an nih chuan, Gen 3:21-ah khan Pathianin savun kawrfual a siamsak thu kan hmu a si a. Kawrfual/garment chuan kap bawr chauh a khuh lo, taksa pum a ni a khuh ni. Pathian khan an zahmawh chauh a khuhsak lova an taksa pum a khuhsak zawk a ni. I line of argument ang chuan an zahmawh chauh kha savun-a khuhsak mai awm lah ni.

    Saruakna theological implication te, mahni insiamchawp khuhna, leh savun kawrfual-in sacrificial implication a neih chu sawi kai lo mai ang.

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    #1
    Vakul,

    NIa ka lo uar deuh a nih chuan ka tang tihna ah minlo ngaihsak mai rawh. Intihril ka duh lo, ka ril lo a, mahse ka tuiin ka zir nasa em em a, ka rin tawp khawk tawh avangin ka rawn tivak mai thin a ni. Nia, ka tawnghuai i tiringawt a, ka chunga Pu Donald pawh khi, dik chu a intih ve fu khi maw, a tawng huai pap pap em khi 😛

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    donald Says:

    Hiha Lta,

    I pu zohoa’n huai taka sawi tur a tih kha ka zawm ve a ni mai a lawm (H)

    Ka sawi dik loh a awm chuan rawn sel bap bap rawh. Kohhran do ngam khawpa huaisen i ni lawmni. Commoineeeeeee … 😛

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    TuaiSialA Says:

    Hetianga in rawngbawlna hi midang tan malsawmna a ni lo.

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    #24 Donald, haha.. Kohhran do maw? Theory unique deuh hi chu kohhran rinna tan a hlauhawm, kohhran do tiin dan pawnah an knock out daih zel. Dik tak chuan theory ve tho a ni si a tuna popular tak tak hi. Denomination pawh theory vang vek a lawm. Hetia theory ve thoin a theory dang overlap lo leh hnialthla chuang hauh silova a knock out a, kohhran do ah an han puhzui hi chu a selfish a sin. :-[ (H)

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    Soberboy Says:

    IGNATIA hian a la sawi ve lo ania 😀

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    donald Says:

    eng ber maw an KNOCK OUT nachhan che ni a.. selfish vang maw? I dik lo a ni zawk lo maw. Mi awmtha hle hle han knock out ngawt thu va awm suh. Kohhran selfish vang nge ni ang aw i chapo vang tih ngaihtuah tur awmin ka hre deuh. Chapo deuh tak khan kohhran zirtirna i kalh a ni lo maw aw..

    Evi mawngah setana’n a pawl tilam zirtirna pawm si a, kohhran zirtirna hnawl si chuan khawsak ho a har ve chuan a rinawm :-p

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    Theory ve ve an nih avang a inbahkua a, in out kher hi a selfish ka ti. Entirnan, theory i pawm sa anglo takin theory dang ka pawm a, KOHHRAN DO ah min chhuah daih. Ka chapo pui lo e, a root te chu kha kha ni mai. 😉

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    donald Says:

    eng nge theory i tih ve chhen hi le?

    Bible-a inziak pawmdan hi theory a ni ngai lo.. creed tih a ni thin. Ziaksa chiang fek fawk innghahnaa hman a ni. Nangni thu leh hla hi chu theory a ni thei mahna.. speculation/rinthu hlir a ni tlat a. Chumi hmanh chuan kohhran zirtirna in han kalh ve rap rap mai a nia.. eng emaw zawng chuan in fakawm a tih theih ang chu 😛

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    donald Says:

    Lta nang chu ka hnial peih tawh lo che.. ka tlawm (@)

    I pu zoho-a va ko rawh 😛 ani kha chu a thu leh hla-in awmzia a nei deuh.

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    Haha, creed maw? Denomination pawh alo tam chhan hi creed vang vek mawle. Chuvang chuan dik ber emaw pawmngam thlap ang tur phei chuan contraversial lutuk. Bible rinchhan a nihna lai hi a pawmawm deuh a, mahse theory chu a ni tho e. Theology nge ka tih zawk dawn. Ngaihdan contribute atang vek a oneness, catholic, juda, trinity lo chhuak reng pawh a nia lawm. Bible chu an depend ve ve. Mahse rindan, ngaihdan hrang deih an nei. I hre fu ang kei aiin chuti lam chu. Theory ka rawn hman nen hian a danglam lo e. Rinna avanga rawn huai ngam mai ka ni (H)

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    bk Says:

    Hairehai…

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    donald Says:

    Rinthu hian huai deuhin ka tang ngam ti ta zawk che..

    Aww a.. kan tawng leh chu.. :-[ STOP

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    Nia, i zaidam sia keipawh ka duh tawk tawh mai ang 😛

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    Chhuaklinga Says:

    Ka rin leh ka rin…., 😛

    tren tren

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    critic Says:

    Mihring nunna pe tu chu Pathian Thlarau ani a hrem chi a ni lo. Mi a thih in a thlarau chu meia kan fai a ngai a ni. Hetiang ngaih dan hi Jews ngaihdan lam hawi a ni, Christian inti thenkhat ten an modify a ang bawk. Hman ah khan tiang lam hi kan sawi vak tawh kha maw le. 🙁

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    vakul Says:

    Zoho, ka duh dan takin min rawn counter, faith leh reason hi thliar hran dan chin a awm zawk a ni, a mihring lam a nihna chen pawh a awm. Faith seeking understanding hi ka support fo thin, marawh chu kan ngaihtuah apiang, kan thlir dan apiang doctrine of faith ah kan chhal zung zung mai erawh a fuh lo. Min demna subjectah hi chuan ka fimkhur ve khawp a sin, fideism hi ka favour bur lo va rationalism pawh chuti tho, mahse i believe in order to understand rather than i understand in order to believe.

    Kal duntir tum lutuk(hyper) ka hmu bawk, chungte chuan a nihna takah chuan reason hmanga an test phawt loh chuan an pawm lo tlangpui zawk. Kan faith hi a dik loh chuan kan reason a dik thei lo, ka comment khi thlir chiang mahla ka reason hi doctrine of faith angin ka develope lo mai a ni zawk, subject matter of perennial debate angin faith leh reason hi ka rawn present lo.

    Pathian thuahchi chuan a zir thuk apiang an fimkhur mai thin a, commentaryho pawh hian probability an dap kual chiam thin a, ni leh ni lo han sawi bawng bawng hi an pumpelh thui khawp mai.

    Kan zik chhuahna hian a hril thui, kohhran thenkhatin fimkhur taka ni awm mang e an tih hi thenkhat chuan ni chiang bangin an sawi mai mai a ni, a nihna takah chuan mi puitling zawkten ni theiin a lang an tih hi mi thenkhat 100% correct aiin a la rinawm zawk.

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    sefa Says:

    Helai huang chhungah hi chuan chiar tak mai ka ni.
    Mahni ngaih dan tlang taka Pathian thu ah mi te rin duh ni wm tak mai
    a, midangte pwhin kan au chuah pui pom pom mai hi chuh bansan teng u. Biblea a in ziah thlap dan ang hian mahni ngaihdan niloin huai takin au chhuh pui dawm dawm zok teng u…te ka tya nia 😀

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    sheldon Says:

    A ril lo lam atangin lo inrawlh ve teh ang. Zoho comment @13 second para a Vanram chungchang khi ka lo ngaihtuah ve thin a nia, kan inzirtirna ah chuan vanram hi khawiah emaw, vanah emaw hmundang daiha awmturah a ni mai a, mahse, Zoho sawi ang khian Vanram chu he lei hi ni ngei turah ka ngai ve tlat. ‘Khawvela Isua rawn din leh tur Vanram’n tih hi ka pawm zawng tak ani.

    Post leh comment thenkhat ka chhiarchhuak lo. Keini ang tan chuan hriatthiam phak pawh a nilo. Diktaka sawi chuan Pu Pka, Pu Vakul leh Pu Donald te thu leh hla hi chu han chhiar hian kan hrethiam ve mai a, Zoho leh Lt-a te thu hi chu hriatthiam loh a tam thin. Anyway, an hriatna chu a ropui ka ti.

    Chutih rualin Pathian thu ah hian controversial verse te thurchhuah a inhnial hi engemaw a tulna le te ka ti rilru mai mai. Simple truth – Pathian fapa Isua kan tan a thi a, chu chu a ring apiang tan chhandamna a awm tih hi chiang ila, kan phak leh theihtawkin Pathian duhzawng zawng ve ila (lo sawi ve niah niah)

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    vakul Says:

    Ka inrawlh leh loh chuan ka muttui lovang mi puitling ka tihah hian ka inchhal miah lo a nia.

    Ltachhakchhuak, a hranpain post siam tawh lo la, i guru zohoa post hhlui ho kha rawn post thar rawh, chuan, a belhtlak deuh ang. I pu zirtirna pawh i pensan lek lek mai, i pensan vaih chuan a rawn khak ang che nga, mualpho takin thupha i chawi mai ang.

    Lehkha kan zir a, kan zir subject term hmang hian subject dang sawifiah tum hi hlauhawm tak a ni, first aid bu ka chhiar fo avangin ka inla mbbs ngai lo, ..

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    donald Says:

    LOlzz vakul,

    Ka hmuhdan chiah.. chuvang a nia Pelegia leh Celestia te putu min ti hrechhuak ka tih.. hihi

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    vakul Says:

    donald, a tir atang reng pawha mahni kohhran lawina thurin theory ti tlat tan chuan…an hnawhchhuah mai loh nakah.lolz.

    Science tarmit (Science hi a thiam ziktluak em phei chu ka hre lo) atangin define hi a tum a, thurin pawh hi a ti theory maiah ngai ang.

    Zep lohah chuan a post tawhah hian belhchian dawl lo ka hmu hnem tawh lutuk, nimin lawkah pawh “church father hovin science an sawisel” ti zawng khan a sawi a, tumah an hming lam tur a hre si lo(?). “min pawn an ti vek” ti a, a sawitu hming sawi tur hre si lo ho hi chu an nupuite sawi a lo ni deuh zel, a nih loh chuan mi dawihzep an ni. :-O

    Post contentah hi chuan ka hnial peih lo kei chu…mahse mi fel tak chu an ni ang, zoho-a phei chu nupui ngam lo tak a nih ka ring, keimah ang hian; online tlai ve thei em mai.

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    Soberboy Says:

    tren2 a HOT dawn tan e 😀

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    donald Says:

    Vakul hi comedian search lama kal chi a ni. A chem kalna a hai ve a ni chiang mai. Mahse a THEORY dik lo lai a awm. Nupui ngam lo hi an fel lo (H) Ih ih.. Jewish encyclopedia phei chuan nupuite thu zawm duak duak thin te chu hremhmuna hrem tur list-ah a telh hmiah.. den lutuk.

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    keimah Says:

    Pathian thu aia mahni finna leh zeldin thu bawl tuipui hi a awl fu a nih awm hi mawle!

    Pathian thu hi Pathian Thlarau vek atang lo chuan hriat fiah theih a ni lo Tirhkoh Paula’n a tih kha a dikzia a lang zel a nih ber hi. Kei chu ka sawi thui peih lo ve. Hetiang hi chuan inhnialna bak a thlen lo.

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    Ignatia (33-115 AD) Says:

    Pu Vakula chu Seba Lalnu a nei tlat alawm Pu Donlad. 🙂 In comment tha hle mai.

    Comment number 30-naa i zawhna ‘Enge theory?’ tih khi keipaw’n ka zawt tawh. Theory awmzia hi man loh ve theih viau. Hei tak hi Lt-a thuchhuak theory a nihna ni pawhin ka hria. Nizan khan ka ******* rual a ni tih ka man chhuak a. Aizawla sikul kal a nih ka ring a kan intawng lo palh chu a pawi khawp mai. Ka class-ah thu sela chuan PHYSICAL WORLD leh SPIRITUAL WORLD danglamnate hi a man deuh tur…. 😉

    Tin, he post hian awmzia lo. Eng para mah khian thil chiang taka sawi luh a nei lovin ka hria. Para number 4 phei chu ka counter chak lutuk…. 😛

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    donald Says:

    Ignatia i awm hlauh hi chu a vanneihthlak ngawt mai. Chuti ni lo se an scientific term mak pui pui hmang hian min phoro vek tawh ang 😛 Kohhran chu Krista taksa, peng hrang hrang, hnathawh hrang hrang nei a nihzia a chiang a ni tiraw. Mitthi khaw kulh kawngkhar pawhin a ngam loh tur a ni tlat.

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    Hahaha..ka lo lut hman tep e. Aia u ten min khel nauh nauh baka nuam hi ka la hre lo. (L) mahse i naupanna ngainep suh, zirtir kawngah te thahnem ngai takin a tih kha maw 😀

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    Soberboy Says:

    IGNATIA sawi rawh 😀

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    donald Says:

    LOl Lta.. i chhe reuh :-P

    Ignatia chu nick thar te mi pe emaw ni :

    “Pu Vakula chu Seba Lalnu a nei tlat alawm Pu DONLAD” :-D :-D

    Hmanah khan zoho-a thil type sual emawni kha a nuih vei a, nuih ve vak te’ng :-P :-D :-P :-D

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    zoho Says:

    hairehai…mittui tla phung min tih nuih hlawm chu a….ka rawn comment zuai, ka la chhiar zo lo, TSa fiamthu post ai pawn in han tang tak tak hi chuan min tinui nasa zawk a nih hi a.. :-P
    kn chhiar leh lawkz :-D

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    Ignatia (33-115 AD) Says:

    Soberte: Nangman sawi ve tawh rawh. Nge helaia comment chhu turin ENERGY i nei ngang lo? (H)

    Pu Donald: A va za tak em aw… :-D :-D Ka lo ziak sual palh a nih khi mawle. I awm hian a nuam boruak a zangkhai…. (Y)

    A pu duhtak Pu Zohoa: I naupanna miin ngainep suh se titu a lo lut tep tawh ang… :-P (fiamthu)

    Pu Zoho: Kal daih bik suh. Awm ve reng rawh chhuti ni a nih hi…. :)

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    zoho Says:

    ka chhiar thla zel a, Donald-a hi misual.com a continuous a la OT ber a ni maiin ka hria, post hi a hai emaw ni ka ti hial mai,nge hmeichhe thinrim angtui laklawk “mah reng reng se, ka ti thau thau” tih ang deuh khan post liam ta a a comment tur a type lawk he tah a rawn wholesale… hahaha… :-D

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    donald Says:

    Ignatia,

    Hman sakhua a tia mi khah zoho khan? :-P

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    donald Says:

    Ekekkeakaka zoho,

    Ka OT deuh dawn ka ti mawlh2 kha mawle.. OT ble ble i rawn ti duah kher. Thread danga mi a hranga sawi ai khan tah hian ka rawn kawp ta mai a nih kha. A awlsam nan.. i hriatthiam reng tho kha aw. Mi tih hmingchhiata admin te min hauh tir i tum a nih kha :-P

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    donald Says:

    Min la repawt zui emawni le.. a reh tak hmiah??@#$

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    vakul Says:

    Khawimaw ka energy zawng zawng nen force in ka’n comment ve leh teh ang..

    Lta hi zirlai naupang fel tak a lo nih dawn chu . Amah ang rual kan nih khan hetiang hian thil kan la bawl kual pha lo reng reng,

    Vawiin chu colouring day lawm le, colour tak tak teh ang.

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    donald Says:

    Pawi lo mai.. ka hman tawh chuang lo. Nick thar ka hmang daih anga (Ignatia min pek) tun min hre tawh chuang law’nge.

    Kan peace out phawts, zan lamah min BAN loh chuan…

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    zoho Says:

    Mi thenkhat in hlawk in lo tum ve tlat mai a, Bible THUTAK leh Isua zirtirna tuipawlhloh hi chu e, sawichhiat, dem leh tawrhna lam hi a ni zel mai a nih hi maw….
    “Ngai rawh, he naupang hi Israel zînga mi tam tak tiral tùr leh dinchhuahtîr tùra ruat a ni, miin an ‘sawisèl’ tùr chhinchhiahna nèn….” — Luka 2:34
    “Amaherawhchu, he pâwl hi ram tinah ‘sawichhiat’ an ni si a, nangin engtin nge i ngaih hriat kan duh e,” Acts 28:22

    “antilego/antilegomenon = hnial, mausam,ep,duh lo, hnialkalh.

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    donald Says:

    eh.. dem leh sawichhiat hlawh apiang hi THUTAK hriltu an ni kher hleinem.. eg gnostics + heretics such as Valentinus & Simon Magus.. adt tam over.

    Chhuah hma ti leh hram..

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    zoho Says:

    Jude 10 ti leh hram :-D
    “Mite chuan an thil hriatthiamloh apiang an sawichhe thin” :-P

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    Ignatia (33-115 AD) Says:

    Ha ha ha Pu Donald Hman Sakhua ni e. Amah pawh hi Hman Sakhua a ni hrim hrim alawm…. :-D

    Thilhriatthiam loh apiang sawichhiat tur ni ta se aw….sawichhiat tur a va tam dawn em! :-P Thusawi subjective lutuk tuipui hi a awmzia lem lo…. :D

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    Dr John Says:

    Gud yet Interesting Post, (Y) Post-tupa hi i Post hluite ka chhiar a, i chhui nasa thei khawp mai. Ka tluk lo nasa che. Bible chhuizau dan leh pawmdan-ah hian Bible zirtirna kalh a nih loh chuan tha ka ti vek. Faith & reasoning te pawh hi an pawimawh hun (everything in their time) a awm ve ve a, pawngpaw hnualsuat ngawt chi an ni lo mai thei.

    Amaherawhchu, extreme lutuk ang chi hi chu a tha lo mai thei bawk. I chhui tha khawp mai, a controversial deuh mai thei. Post hran-in a Thupui in-ang chiah lo mahse, ka lo buatsaih lak lawh tawh si a, a lo chhuak ve tho awm si a, tawite-in ka’n tuihnih rih mai ang e,

    1.THIH 1-NA (the first death) – Tuna kan lei taksa-in khawvela hun a hman tawpna leh, piangthar lova kan thihna hi a ni (temporary death of physical & spiritual).

    2.THIH 2-NA (the second death) – Tho leh taksa leh thlarau (all sinners, Satan, Beast & False prophet & Fallen angels) chatuan-a Pathian nena inthen a, chatuana thi tura Meidila paih hlenna hi a ni (physical & spiritual eternal death in the lake of fire, permanent & everlasting separation from God, cf.Thup.20:14, 21:8, etc).

    In comment a ngaihnawm khawp mai, ;-)

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    #43
    vakul

    Theologian a maw ka ti che a, kan inhrechiang zel a niang chu. Nia, mechanic ka tuna zawng nise chuan motor ka siam thiam daih tawh ang, Ka tuina ah hian lehkhabu ka chhiar tam avangin leh bible hi ka rin em avangin hetiang rinna hi ka nei mai a

    Ka post a diklo tak tak i hriat ho chu lo sawi ta che. Church father chungchang bawk kha em ni. Kha chu kan thupui a niloh kha maw, buaina dang. Nangpawh science hi kohhran din tan tirh lai khan hnawl a nih thin dan chu pawl 7 zirlaibu ah pawh a awm thin kha. Churrch hian rindan alo nei ve sa diam a, chumi ang lo a rindan nei chu Pathian pawisawi a puhin an halhlum thin kha..Nicolus a te ngei pawh.

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    Chhiarloin ka lo comment pek a, in OT nasa tlat mai a, khawnge Post milhlo a nih chuan ka chhang tawh rihlo mai ang che u. (H)

    Chubakah post pawh khi inla chailo reng reng, diklohna ka hrehnem tih nazawng hi a huai lo e :-P Post khi inpeih chuan rawn chai teh u, personaly kha chu a ho tlat :-D

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    vakul Says:

    Tlangval, i lehkha chhiar peihnaah ka fak che, i insawi ang a nih chuan.

    Theology subject i chhiar peih pawh ka ring e. I theological frame hi ka hnial vek lo a nia, marawhchu chik leh zualin han study teh aw. Zir ni lova mahni ngaihdan siam tawk leka i chhiar a, commentary leh dictionary i bih ngun loh chuan a fuh duh lo viau a nia.

    Traditional belief han counter tur chuan i hriat hi tawk ka la tihpui lo khawp mai che. kan assumption siam a mar that mai vang khan thurin tiata lek chiam chiam tur a ni ngai lo ve.

    Hindu rin dan hrulah min keuhpui a, chhiar tam chu ka inti ngam ve hauh lo ang a, mahse i sawi (post hmsa lam a mi pawh, ) ang tak hian theologian leh spiritual leaderte hian an sawi ngai lem lo, hei erawh ka hria theology hi a bulthum atang chhiar/ zir la a deh chu a dang deuh maithei e.

    Ka sawi vang hian i thupum hi ka hnawl vek hauh lo a nia.

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    #67
    vakul

    Ni e, la inzir ka ngai nasa khawp mai. THian tha bible sikul kal lai leh BD zirlai ka thiante pawh hian mikhawlh ve takah chuan mindahsa tawh hrim hrim a lawm. Mahse hei hi inzirna leh thudik zawnna zel a nia. Ka lo sawi uar deuh a nih chuan sermon ang deuh a aw puam te nen lam kha lo suangtuah dawn nia, ka tang lutuk mah mah vang vek a nih kha :-)

    Pakhat leh chu Zoho nena inchukha emaw inrochun kan ni hauhlo a nia aw. Keichu a hran liau liau. Zoho hian engnge a post tawh hi ka la hre lo. Pathum vel chu ka chhiar tawh mai thei. Keima irawmchhuak a ka post zawng zawng thlirlet chung leh bible keu ngat a ka rawn thaichhuah a ni. Dik tak chua Zoho nen hian kan inbah fo thin a nia. :-D

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    chawnghilh Says:

    In dek tha thuai thuai hlawm ngei mai!

    SIMPLE takin aw …

    Vaivuta din kan ni. Vaivuta kir leh tur kan ni bawk. Islam inzirtir danah chuan TUI-a siam, ruang pawh a thu zul mai a, tui vekin a kir let. Pathian Thu nen a inkalh pang mai.

    Pathianin hluma a siam hnarkuaah a “nunna thaw (neshamah chayim) a thawk khum a, mi nung (nephesh) a lo ni ta. Nephesh hi Jews ngaihdanah chuan thlarau hnuaihnung ber a ni.

    “In ei ni la lain in thi ang,” —an ei ni khan phisically tak chuan an thi em? An nung; mahse THI an nih an inhre lo. Thlarau lamah chuan THI chiang het hawt tak an ni.

    Savun kawrfual siamsa a awm lo, thisen chhuaka a vun lih (flay) a ngai … thisen chhuak lovin ngaihdamna reng a awm lo. Savun kawrfual neih nana THISEN khan Kalvary a melh thleng.

    Hebrai 11-ah chuan, ziakin, “thawhlehna tha LEHZUAL beisei an awm,” —thawhlehna hrim hrim chu Elija khan Sarepta hmeithai fapa a kaitho tawh. Thuthlung tharah chuan Jaira fanu (Gentiles), Nain khaw hmeithai fapa rawlthar leh Beth-Ani khuaa Lazara chungah a thleng … chungho kaithotu pawh Abib 17 tlaiah, AD 30 khan Pa Pathianin a kai tho.

    Isua tiam loh, thawhlehna chang tawhte khi Greek tawnga SOMATA (tisa)-a tho leh te an ni. “An hmeichhiaten mitthi tho leh an hmu a …” tia Hebrai 11-a ziaka awmte kha an ni.

    Tin, Bible tam takah hian Matthaia ziakah bik Krista thawhleh hnu khan mi thianghlimte an thawh thu ziakin a awm a. Bible zirmite tawngkamah phei chuan MINI RESURRECTION an ti hial a. Mahse, THAWHLEHNA ni lovin, RILRU TIHHARHSAKNA a nih zawk thu Greek tawng lam atangin a ni thung. (Hun dangah kan lo chhui chiang lehzual dawn nia.) A chian lehzualna pawh Pentecost ni khan Petera thusawi-ah Davida meuh pawh a la thawh lohzia tarlan chian a nih kha.

    Thawhlehna hmasa (first resurrection)-a thote engthawl tur thu ziak a awm leh a. Thawhlehna hnuhnunga thote rorelsak an nih tur thu leh zahna, mualphonaa kal tur an nihzia ziak a ni bawk a.

    Johana 3:16-ah chuan, “Pathianin khawvel a hmangaih em em a, chutichuan, a Fapa mal neihchhun a pe a. Amah chu tupawh a ring apiang an BORAL LOH-va, chatuana nunna an neih ZAWK nan …” tih thu a lang chiang a. Chatuana Nunna nei nei hlen turin First Resurrection-a thawh a ngai a.

    Johana 3:16 hre chiang lova ngaina ve em em hi kan tam khawp mai. A ring apiang an BORAL LOH …awmzia hi ringlote BORAL (THIH) turzia a chiang hle si!

    Thu Puan 20:6 Thawhlehna hmasa bera telte chu an engthawlin an thianghlim a ni; chungho chungah chuan thih hnihna chuan thu reng a nei lo va, Pathian leh Krista puithiamte an ni ang a, amah nen kum sangkhat rorelin an awm zawk ang.

    Thu puan 2:11 Thlarauvin kohhranho hnena thu a sawi hi beng nei chuan hre rawh se. A hnehtu apiang thih hnihna chuan engmah a tih lo vang, a ti e’ tiin.

    First Resurrection, Isua lokal leh huna thote chu Krista puithiam leh lalte an ni dawn a, kum sangkhat Isua hova ROREL (reigning) turte an ni a —he kum sangkhat lalram hi “lalna hmasa (first dominion), Siamtharlehna (restitution/restoration), Kum Sang Lalram (Millennium) hun tur chu a ni. He lei siamthara rorelna tur a ni.

    Isua kha Davida Lalthutthleng rochung tura ruat a ni tlat a. Davida Lalthutthleng chu khawi planet-ah mah a awm lo va, he lei planet-ah pawh Jerusalem-ah kher a awm a.

    Hmelma hnuhnung ber thihna chu Millennium hnu-a thleng tur a ni.

    Thu Puan 20:14 Tin, Thihna leh Mitthi Khuate chu mei dilah an paih a. Chu chu thih hnihna chu a ni – mei dil chu.
    20:15 Tu hming pawh Nunna Bua ziak an hmuh loh chuan mei dilah an paih bawk a.

    Thu Puan 21:8 Amaherawhchu, mi dawih te, ring lo te, tenawm te, tualthat te, inngaih ching te, dawithiam te, milem bia te, dawthei zawng zawngte chan tur chu mei leh kata kang dilah chuan a awm ang; chu chu thih hnihna chu a ni,” a ti a.

    Isua Krista kha kan THIH ai a THI a; chatuana kan thih (thih hnihna) ai a thi tawh a. Chatuana meidila thi thei lova RAWH kan nih ai a thi lo. Chatuana thi thei lova RAWH tur ni ila, Nazareth Isua pawh kha thi lova RAWH a ngai ang.

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    donald Says:

    Dik khawp mai. Bible-in chatuana meidila RAWH tur a tih loh avang hian chutianga zirtir chu a dik kher lo ang. Mahse chatuana meidila paih tur an nih thu erawh chiang takin a sawia .. pawm mai tur a ni. Mitthite an tholeh anga, nunna bua hming chuang lote chu meidila paih tur an ni. Chu meidil chu diabola leh a pawlte, chatuana a chhun a zana nghaisak an nihna hmun a nih thu Thupuanah chiang taka ziak a ni ( 20:10). Hetiang hi kohhran pawhin a zirtir dan a ni reng a.

    Mihringin a bawhchhiat khan a hremna chu thihna a ni.. kros-a khenbeh tur tih a ni kher lo. Chutiangin meidila rawh tur tih pawh a ni hran lova, roreltu Pathian remruat danin a thleng mai a ni. Isua ring lotute erawh chu meidila paih tur an ni tih hi Bible zirtirna chiang em em a ni e. Meidil tak hi eng nge a ni phei zawng chiang taka hrilh kan ni lo thung. Mithiamte ngaihdan pawh a inang lo nasa ve hle. Literal fire ni lova thlarau lam mei nia ngai pawh an pung tial tial. A Grik hian chutiang lam chu a support zawk niawm tak a ni.

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    Vladimir Putin Says:

    Sudden Death nen chuan a inang chiah lo ani maw, in sawi hmangin. A goal hmasak bera chak zawn nihna lam ahih hmel loh.

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    ultimate Says:

    Tun hnai in ‘theological debate’ (han ti ve ngawt ila) ho hi luhai bur khawpin ka chhiar thin a, patla pawh ka lo khai ve dar dar thin. Ropui ka ti thlawt. Zoho leh lta lam tang an tlem deuh a, pawi ka ti hial mai. Hriat tur ka ngah zia leh ka lo hriat tlem zia ka hre pha viai2. Ka misual member pui ho lo turu zia ka hriat phah rualin ka insit zual a, ka inthlahrung zo vek a ni ber e.

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    mr.Duhlova Says:

    21
    Lt…..Ka hnial ve miah lo che a nia..:-)

    1st. Resurrection:

    Rapture (Mithiang -hlimlawr) pawmtu te ngaihdan tlangpui.
    (Mi zawng zawng in, mi thianghlim lawr hi, an ring kher lo. Allen G.White kha alo ‘thaw thelh’ tawh bawk nen) –

    Bible hian thawhlehna hmasa leh thawhlehna hnuhnung a sawi a. A hmasa zawk hi rapture (Mithiang -hlimlawr) awm ringtu te chuan, “anti Christ lo lan hun”, “great tribulation” leh “harmagedon indo” pumpelh tura a mithianghlim te a lawr hun turah an ngai a. Chu chu, evangelism period tawp hun ah, Mat.23:14 denchhenin, I Thes 4:14-17 hi lo thleng turah an beisei a.

    Hetih hunah hian, Abrahama fapa Isaaka’n a nupui tur, Aliezara ‘mo’ rawn hruai ‘Rebeki’ kawng chanve a alo hmuak ang khan, Tho leh Isua’n, a nupui hual ‘mo’, ‘kohhran’ a lo hmuak nen an teh khin bawk.

    He khawvela Anti Christ rorelna te, tih duhdahna rapthlak (tribulation) te leh harmagedon indona awm mek laiin, Lalpa leh a mi thianghlim te chuan ‘Beram no ruai kilin, nunna lallukhum te leh lawman an dawng dawn a. Chutah, Lal Isua hovin, kum sang rorel turin, he khawvelah anlo chhuk ang.

    Harmagedon indona ah hian, Israel, hnam chapo ho tih tlawm an ni ang a, Lal Isua au lo thei lova siam turin khawvel in an do rawn dawn a ni. An ral tak ngial dawn avanga, an mangang tawpkhawk-in, Lal Isua an au ve ta nge nge a nga, ti chuan, Acts. 1:11; Zak. 14:4 hi lo thleng dik in Olive tlangah Lal Isua leh a thuhruaite, kum sang rorel turin an lo lang ang. Satana pawh kum 1000 atan phuarin a awm nghal ang a. (Re. 20:1-3). Kum sang rorel ah hian, Matt. 25:31-46, Beram leh Kel (Ringtu tak tak leh a lem) thliarna a awm ang.

    Kum sang rorel zawh hian, Satana phuar phelh a ni ang a, lei kil li a hnam te, Goga leh Magoga chu buma hruaikhawmin, Mithianghlimte awmna Jerusalem chu a han run dawn ni awm tak a ni. (Re. 20:7-10) Mahse, van atangin mei alo tla a, an ni chu a kangral ta.

    He khawvela tihduhdahna rapthlaka Lal Isua tana martar ngamte Lal Isua ho va, kum 1000 ro an rel tur thu min hrilh bawk a (Re.20:4). Mahse tuna, awlsam tak a ‘rinna avanga khawngaihna a chhandam’ nih theih lai a, ring tha duhlo te zingah, martar thisena lei chu an tam lo mai thei. Mahse, Pathian khawngaih ropui zia ala lang e.

    Rapture pawm lemlotu te pawm dan:

    First resurrection:

    “Nimahsela Krista chu mitthi zing ata kaihthawhin a awm tak zet a ni, muhilte thawh hmahruaitu a lo ni ta.” …..(1 Co 15:20)

    Lal Isua vanlawn atang a chanchin Tha hril darh a nih a ringtute anlo pun atang khan tihduhdahna hi a nasa in, ‘Dark Age’ tih hial a ni. Constantine’n Kristiana a lo pawmpui takah chuan Kristianna alo zalen tan ta chauh a nih kha.(Re.2 a. Balaama zirtirna Lal Isuan a duhlohna chhan kha chhui tham a awm(compromise hi Lal Isuan a duh lo).

    Kha dark age hunlaia tihduhdahna rapthlak a Lal Isua tana martar ngamte kha Lal Isua ho va, kum 1000 ro an rel tur thu min hrilh bawk a (Re.20:4). Chung chu mithi tho hmasa turte (Re 20:6) tiin, min hrilh. Chumi hun chu, evangelism period tawp hun ah, Mat.23:14 denchhenin, I Thes 4:14-17 hi lo thleng turah an beisei a. (update 10/40 window te kan thlir chuan, Chanchintha la hril lohna hi chu a pan tiar tiar tawh viau a ni.)

    Bible min hrilh danin, Kum sang rorel zawh hian, Satana phuar phelh a ni ang a, lei kil li a hnam te, Goga leh Magoga chu buma hruaikhawmin, Mithianghlimte awmna Jerusalem chu a han run dawn ni awm tak a ni. (Re. 20:7-10) Mahse, van atangin mei alo tla a, an ni chu a kangral ta.

    2nd. Resurrection
    Chutah mithi thawhlehna hnuhnung, 2nd. Resurrection – Re. 20:11-15 hi a lo thleng a nga, mithi tawh zawng zawng rorelsak turin Chungnung Bera hmaah an ding ang a, Nunna Bu a hming chuang lo chu, chatuan meipuiah paih an ni ang.
    Chutah lei thar leh Van thar…..Re 21. Chutah Re. 22 ah, Eden huan a Nunna thing, bawhchhiatna avanga Cherub leh Khandaih virtawn in a ven chu, ringtu te tuallenna a ni tawh ang.

    “Tin, an chhuahna ram chu lungkham sela chuan hawnna remchang an hmu tawh ngei tur a ni.Nimahsela, tunah zawng ram tha lehzual chak an lo ni a, chu chu vana mi a ni; chutichuan Pathianin an Pathian tiha awm chu a zak lo ve; an tan khua lam a lo buatsaihsak tawh si.” (He.11:16)

    Pu Chawnghilh sawi ka hriat thawi ka han phuah belh mai mai a nia, inlo chawtak khuk pui a nge, in hnial phei chu ka peih ve miah lo a nia…ka dang a ni sa mai..:-D .

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    ultimate Says:

    Ellen G White a ni zawk lo maw?

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    mr.Duhlova Says:

    74

    Nih hmel mah mah zawk e a…. (Y)

    Nilo ti thei ka nilo..

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    ltachhakchhuak Says:

    #69
    chawnghilh

    “Isua Krista kha kan THIH ai a THI a; chatuana kan thih (thih hnihna) ai a thi tawh a. Chatuana meidila thi thei lova RAWH kan nih ai a thi lo. Chatuana thi thei lova RAWH tur ni ila, Nazareth Isua pawh kha thi lova RAWH a ngai ang”

    Hei chu ka lo en chiang miah lo a alawm le. Dik hmel fu, dik tluan lo a nih hmel.

    I postulate danah chuan “Thlarau lamah chuan THI chiang het hawt tak an ni” i tiah. Mahse Nephesh aka taksa hi thisen a lei ngai , tlan ngai a nih daih hi maw. Visible nephesh ngei hi a tlan daih hi. Thlarau nise thlarau kha a thi ve tur hi a ni. Mahse thlarau a thilo, taksa a ni a thih daih.

    Juda vision-ah nephesh hi thlarau hnuai hnung ber anlo ti a ni maw! Alo nih pawhin ka pawmpui tho e, Pathian thilsiam hi endawng lutuk tur a ni hlei nem. Mahse Thlarau hnuai hnung ber/visible hi a bawhchhiat avangin visible bawk nephesh alo kal a ni mai.

    A awmzia chu thlarau a thih chuan thlarau vekin tlan se, hmuhtheih taksa hi thihlen tur(Nataka mei aka thlarauin a kan hnu a tih tawp vang vang tur) a nih avangin chumi tlan nan taksa aka mihring aka Yeshua alo thi hmasa a ni zawk. Chumi avang chuan mitupawh chu kan thih hlenna tur lak ata min thih hmasak sak a. Amahah chuan minung kan ni, chu chu Piantharna chiah kha..a thui lutuk dawn, inman loh chuan awmzia a awmchuang dawnlo tlat :-P

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    nastycool Says:

    In comments ho chu a ngaihnawm hlawm kher mai, interesting hle bawk. Kei chu ka hriatthiam phak bak thil a ni tlat. Bible in thil lo thleng tur a tih te an lo thlen hun ah chuan, thu dik chu kan la hre mai ang chu. Hetiang ideology a debate neih hi a nuam hle na a, tangkaina vak a neih ka hre tlat lo, kei mi mawl hian.

    Hun kal tawh te, hun lo la awm tur ngaihtuah vak vak te, Rapture,tribulation te, sakawlh identity, khawvel tawp hun tur…. etc lo sawi vak vak hi a tangkaina ka hre tlat lo mai. Tun ( present) hi a pawimawh ber ani lom ni? Engtik lai pawh a thi maithei vek kan ni a, kan thih ni hi kan tan khawvel tawp ani nghal ani lawm ni?

    Pratical Christianity hi i ngaipawimawh zawk ang u. Isuan Galilee dil kam a, mi mawl leh simple te te ho bula chanchintha a zirtir kha chu a simple in, a chiang khawp mai. Mizo te hi khawvel a Bible chhiar peih ber, hre ber kan ni ang, tu pawh mai hian kan arguments support turin Bible chang leh bung ka quote thei vek.Tin,inkhawm, inkhawmpui, camping, crusade adt nei hnem ber kan ni hial ang. Kan nun ah Christian nun dan tur hmuh tur a vang si. :-P

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